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matchpoint
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2008, 03:22:52 PM »
Just to return.
No, it's good to see the whole range of viewpoints - I don't mind even Fuz's comments. I think it's when I feel the balance becomes too pessimistic, as on this thread, it makes me uneasy.
There's already been a load of stick about the handling of past PR situations and the image created from them. Then when something is being done to redress it (if we believe what we read), it produces a load more negative comments. (and yes, I agree, I think uh-oh a PR guy; and uh-oh someone from the Sun) but then I prefer to just wait and see - maybe it will prove to be a good move if it just tempers Andy's character of being too down-to-earth; speaking his mind; wearing his heart on his sleeve etc .
Maybe I just like to feel a bit more optimistic about things than some do on this site!
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kayll
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2008, 04:03:29 PM »
and of course you may turn out to be right Matchpoint. I am just soo fed up of all the spin that is put on everything nowadays and would so love the world to return to ideas such as integrity and realness, so I would probably have a thing against PR people whoever it was for!
I certainly hope it works for him. I just don't really like it!
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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2008, 04:45:07 PM »
I hate all this bulls**t, it really annoys me, if someone has a negative personaly, learn to love it, some people are just tooo sensitive, and like "Murrays being moody" I know I am whenever I lose. I just don't understand how these days, there's a book or someone you can go see, to tell you how to live or improve your life, it's bulls**t.
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2008, 04:57:27 PM »
Quote from: Sarah_ on March 22, 2008, 04:45:07 PM
I hate all this bulls**t, it really annoys me, if someone has a negative personaly, learn to love it, some people are just tooo sensitive, and like "Murrays being moody" I know I am whenever I lose. I just don't understand how these days, there's a book or someone you can go see, to tell you how to live or improve your life, it's bulls**t.
Couldn't agree with you more.
'You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time'
so you may as well just be yourself ..and as you said, learn to love/accept yourself.
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Mark
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2008, 10:18:30 PM »
Quote from: matchpoint on March 22, 2008, 03:22:52 PM
There's already been a load of stick about the handling of past PR situations and the image created from them. Then when something is being done to redress it (if we believe what we read), it produces a load more negative comments. (and yes, I agree, I think uh-oh a PR guy; and uh-oh someone from the Sun) but then I prefer to just wait and see - maybe it will prove to be a good move if it just tempers Andy's character of being too down-to-earth; speaking his mind; wearing his heart on his sleeve etc .
I think that comment relates to some of the posts I have said in the past so I will clarify my stance.
I don't like the idea that Murray now has to have some PR guru to sort out his image, I would much prefer him be himself even if that means most of the public dislike him. When he pulled out of Davis Cup, my criticisms were that he basically lied about it for PR reasons, I would rather he always tell the truth. If Davis Cup isn't always his top priority then just say it.
I don't like PR for Murray, simple as that.
[ Last edit by Mark March 22, 2008, 10:19:43 PM ]
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2008, 06:44:45 PM »
I think it's easy for us to say that it doesn't matter if the public dislikes him. It must be pretty hard to read some of that stuff that gets written - hard for him, hard for his family, and I bet his sponsors would prefer a more positive press, too.
Andy never seems fully relaxed in the media spotlight, even when he's just won a tournament, and I don't think he always comes across well because of that. The trouble is, the media are so powerful in controlling public opinion, so I'm not surprised he feels in need of help.
As for the "smile more" suggestion, if you look at some of the blogs on am.com, Andy smiles loads; he just doesn't seem able to do fake, photo smiles so the media perception is that he's a miserable so-and-so.
Also, the time he joked about the World Cup it didn't work too well for him. Small wonder he thinks twice before saying "Did you hear the one about..."
Thank you for letting me have my say even though I'm not a member!
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2008, 08:35:48 PM »
Quote from: NorthernLights on March 23, 2008, 06:44:45 PM
Also, the time he joked about the World Cup it didn't work too well for him. Small wonder he thinks twice before saying "Did you hear the one about..."
This is exactly what I was thinking when the reporter suggested he "crack a few jokes"
[ Last edit by Mark March 23, 2008, 08:36:45 PM ]
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2008, 07:25:02 PM »
dont understand why murray gets slagged off i he lost half off last year with injury but still finished about number 11 in the world not bad 4 someone that hasnt lived up to the hype not to mention 5 apt titles three master series semi finals and as for the davis cup is it his fault the rest of the team are second rate afterall tennis is an individual sport and ranking matter after next weeks master series in miama his ranking should go thru the roof due to having nothing to defend till after wimbleden
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2008, 08:07:07 PM »
Andy is a stupid little spoiled brat. He alienated his English fans at Wimbledon with his petty "proud to be Scottish" rant a couple of years back, and hasn't seemed to have learned his lesson. Wimbledon is a magical opportunity for a British player to have the whole (British) nation cheering you on in the worlds premier tournament regardless of being English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish or a Falkland Islander! I hope Andy's parents feel as ashamed of him as we "Brits" all do! Hiring a PR guru to help the situation is symptomatic of a man desperate to undo his own selfish acts. I wish Andy all the luck in the word as a fan of British tennis but fear the worst if he continues to put his career before his nation. Being British means far more than being good at what you do Andy.
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2008, 08:18:50 PM »
Quote from: Mills Bomb on March 24, 2008, 08:07:07 PM
Andy is a stupid little spoiled brat. He alienated his English fans at Wimbledon with his petty "proud to be Scottish" rant a couple of years back
Prior to 2006 Wimbledon, Murray caused some public debate[28] with comments against the England national football team, stating that he would like to see "anyone except England" win the 2006 World Cup. He received large amounts of hate mail on his website as a result.[29] However, at a later date, Murray explained that his comments were said
in jest in response to provocation from an English reporter who had asked him if he'd be supporting Scotland in the World Cup[30] knowing full well that Scotland had not qualified for the tournament.
Murray also, after his win against Andy Roddick at Wimbledon 2006, expressed disappointment over England's loss in their match against Portugal at the 2006 World Cup.[31]
Yes it was stupid of him but it would be great if the Murray haters educated themselves on the possible reasoning behind his comments.
[ Last edit by Mark March 24, 2008, 08:19:58 PM ]
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2008, 12:37:27 PM »
They bore me now to be honest. There's plenty of other things for them to dislike Andy for to be perfectly honest without continually rehashing an out-of-date, unproven, misquoted, irrelevant and quite frankly underwhelming criticism. Ooh, big deal, the Scottish Tennis player didn't support the English football team. Honestly!
I'd have much more respect for your dislike of Andy if it was for something remotely relevant like his on-court swearing or his current under-performance, for example. Even, which I suppose you hinted at, his withdrawl from the Davis Cup (which I believe is his choice, but I understand the opposite point of view).
But comments made 2 whole years ago about a World Cup that England did actually fail to win (in fact didn't they lose just as Andy was beating Roddick in the 3rd round and wasn't he hailed as the thing that gave English sports fans something to smile about) is really quite ridiculously petty.
In fact I'd almost say worse than my brother disliking Henman for his entire career for hitting a ball girl! And that was ridiculous.
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2008, 12:42:40 PM »
Quote from: ljsmall on March 25, 2008, 12:37:27 PM
They bore me now to be honest. There's plenty of other things for them to dislike Andy for to be perfectly honest without continually rehashing an out-of-date, unproven, misquoted, irrelevant and quite frankly underwhelming criticism. Ooh, big deal, the Scottish Tennis player didn't support the English football team. Honestly!
I know, even if his comments were serious what is the big f**king deal with a scotsman not supporting the English football team? It's completely understandable why anyone would not support them considering English supporters are known to be a bunch of thugs and that's a fairly accurate stereotype.
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2008, 12:51:59 PM »
Uh oh, mark. Don't start that...
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2008, 12:52:44 PM »
I'm English so I'm giving myself permission to bi*ch at the typical English fans for what most of them are, hooligans!
[ Last edit by Mark March 25, 2008, 12:53:14 PM ]
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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2008, 12:56:43 PM »
But it's the end of the world, Mark! We're all supposed to be one big cuddly British sporting family. What a complete joke! Ever asked a Chelsea fan, or an Everton fan, who they supported in the last Champions League final? Cause you can bet your life it wasn't Liverpool!
Ever asked why we all have seperate football teams, rugby teams, cricket teams? Sport is not about supporting the British interest and it never will be! And anyone who asks or expects it to be is kidding themselves.
Individual sports can be different because it is often about liking the individual.
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Yamor
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2008, 12:57:51 PM »
Why does being English let you stereotype English football fans? Does that mean if I'm black i can say racist comments?
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2008, 01:00:06 PM »
Quote from: Yamor on March 25, 2008, 12:57:51 PM
Why does being English let you stereotype English football fans? Does that mean if I'm black i can say racist comments?
Yes. I have an indian friend at school who constantly mocks that comedian can't remember his name, he did sport relief the apprentice, it makes it more acceptable. If Murray was English, and said that comment, it would have been looked at in a completly different manner. It doesn't make it okay, the yes I said was in jest, but people don't percieve it as being as bad.
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2008, 01:00:39 PM »
Quote from: Yamor on March 25, 2008, 12:57:51 PM
Why does being English let you stereotype English football fans? Does that mean if I'm black i can say racist comments?
I was sort of being sarcastic, of course it doesn't mean you can be racist although it's an excuse a lot of people surprisingly give.
I'm giving my opinion of the typical English football fan and it has a bit more weight as I am English meaning I have less motive to be nasty about them.
[ Last edit by Mark March 25, 2008, 01:01:54 PM ]
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2008, 01:06:21 PM »
Quote from: Yamor on March 25, 2008, 12:57:51 PM
Why does being English let you stereotype English football fans? Does that mean if I'm black i can say racist comments?
It absolutely does! Have you never heard a black comedian comment on how Black people are allowed to say certain things about themselves that others can't! It's absolutely true. Females can be as chauvanistic as they like, homosexuals can say what they like about being gay. It's a bit like by being on the recieving end gives you the right to say it.
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Re: Murray hires PR guru to fix bad image
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2008, 01:08:32 PM »
You're all right that it sounds not so bad when it comes from a black person, because who are we to argue against someone slagging himself off, but its definitely not any better, like Mark says.
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