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Re: Murray v Djokovic
« Reply #270 on: July 26, 2008, 09:53:09 AM »
Me and Julia didn't have much hope, but Andy got off to such a good start - so good to see him end the hoodoo.
Julia says 'Vamos Rafa!' hmm, she deserves a slap...
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Re: Murray v Djokovic
« Reply #271 on: July 26, 2008, 10:48:46 AM »
Yippeeeeee!!! At last - the breakthrough Andy needed against the strutting peacock. This is a giant step in Andy's career - a huge mental stumbling block has been overcome - his focus was tremendous throughout the match. The bookies were offering 18-1 on an Andy victory - odds that will be impossible to get from now on. (Btw, I concede that Djokovic was gracious in defeat.) Congratulations to Andy from a very satisfied long-term supporter.
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Re: Murray v Djokovic
« Reply #272 on: July 26, 2008, 11:23:32 AM »
A Great psychological boost. but I think its even more important that the first time he got more aggressive with his 2nd serve it paid him back. High first serve % is only necessary if your 2nd serve isn't so good. This is one of the first games against a good opponent he has been able to win with out his first serve being on top form. by cutting out the short balls (especially on 2nd serve) he will be a danger to any player any time.
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Re: Murray v Djokovic
« Reply #273 on: July 26, 2008, 11:30:17 AM »
Quote from: Sir Panda on July 26, 2008, 09:53:09 AM
Me and Julia didn't have much hope, but Andy got off to such a good start - so good to see him end the hoodoo.
Julia says 'Vamos Rafa!' hmm, she deserves a slap...
Dong slap?
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Re: Murray v Djokovic
« Reply #274 on: July 26, 2008, 11:31:51 AM »
Great win. Went down to the pub to watch it as I dont get SSX. But seriously how bad was Djokovic? He was no where near his best. But still great to see Andy beat him.
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Re: Murray v Djokovic
« Reply #275 on: July 26, 2008, 11:33:08 AM »
Quote from: bestofbarry on July 26, 2008, 11:30:17 AM
Dong slap?
Knowing them two, probably
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Re: Murray v Djokovic
« Reply #276 on: July 26, 2008, 12:43:41 PM »
Quote from: scotsman75 on July 26, 2008, 11:31:51 AM
Great win. Went down to the pub to watch it as I dont get SSX. But seriously how bad was Djokovic? He was no where near his best. But still great to see Andy beat him.
But Andy never let him get ino a rhythm on his shots from the word go. He bossed the whole thing and didn't let Djokovic play. As a result when he went for the big forehands he missed them cause Andy didn't let him play the easier ones.
And Andy's defense was awesome last night. It's fabulous to watch!
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Re: Murray v Djokovic
« Reply #277 on: July 26, 2008, 05:15:16 PM »
Here are the post match press conferences.
July 25, 2008
Andy Murray
TORONTO, ONTARIO
A. MURRAY/N. Djokovic
6-3, 7-6
THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.
Q. How big of a breakthrough is this getting over Djokovic the first time?
ANDY MURRAY: Yeah, it's a big win mentally for me. You know, the last three times I played him I lost pretty badly.
First time I played him I was a set and a break up and lost. It was pretty much similar to tonight where -- I mean, he was going for more of the big shots tonight, but I felt like I was controlling the way the match was going in terms of changing the pace of the ball and what have you.
So to close out the match in the tiebreak when he's definitely, I think, probably got the best tiebreak record on tour was, you know, a really nice way to finish.
Q. Is it the kind of win that can carry you through maybe Cincinnati, but also into the big ones: the Olympics and the US Open and that kind of thing? Is it that big?
ANDY MURRAY: Yeah, I mean, Nadal is now the only top guy that I haven't won against, you know, so to win against someone like Djokovic who has played great this year and is by far the third best player in the world behind Federer and Nadal is always going to be a big win.
It gives you confidence, especially when you've a lot to him three or four times beforehand. I want to try and keep this sort of form going and get through my first final of a Masters Series.
Q. Did you have a feeling from quite early on that this was going to be a really good chance to get him this time?
ANDY MURRAY: Well, I mean the first game was really key. You know, I saved, I think, a couple breakpoints. In the past against him he's got ahead of me early and stayed on top of me. I wanted to try and start well.
I mean, against the top guys you always expect them to come back, and he did that in the second set. But I've been playing well and I felt like I had a chance of winning. I just knew I had to play really well.
Q. Looked like you got the balance just right and various patterns mixed up just right. Did you think that, too?
ANDY MURRAY: Yeah, there was a come times in the second set I could have been more aggressive. I missed a lot of first serves in those stages and really needed to, you know, get a lot first serves in so I was able to dictate the play.
When you play against someone that returns as well as him and you miss a lot first serves, he's going to get the chance to make you do a lot of running.
But I have worked hard physically, and I needed to be very fit tonight because I did a lot of side-to-side moving and there was a lot of long points.
Q. Did you get much energy from the atmosphere?
ANDY MURRAY: The atmosphere was great out there. It was absolutely packed. The crowd were very good throughout the whole match.
You know, it can sometimes make you nervous, but tonight I didn't feel any nerves. I just went out there and played well.
Q. You broke him three times and scored a couple huge points off his serve in the tiebreak. He didn't like his serve tonight. What can you see that you could attack there so well?
ANDY MURRAY: I changed my position when I was returning his second serve a lot. He gave me, you know, maybe five or six double faults. I was just seeing the return. I have been seeing it well all week. I've broken serve a lot. It's always been one of the best parts of my game, and I was getting a good solid strike on it, which was pushing him back behind the baseline.
Normally when he makes his first he gets an easy ball, and I wasn't giving him that opportunity.
Q. Does this validate your decision to start your hard court season a week late?
ANDY MURRAY: I guess so. There's not going to be any issue the next couple of weeks of, you know, match fitness. Obviously the more matches you play the more confident you get, so I don't think that's going to be an issue anymore.
Q. You had two very late nights. Was that a problem at all or not a problem?
ANDY MURRAY: Yeah, I mean, it was slightly disappointing. I was at the courts for about five and a half hours after my singles yesterday. We ended up playing very late with very few people watching a match on center court.
It would have been nice to play a bit earlier, especially having the late night before that. You know I'm going to get a little bit earlier to bed tonight and I think I'll probably play around the same time tomorrow.
Q. Do you sleep in when that happens, when you get back real late?
ANDY MURRAY: Well, I couldn't when I played against Wawrinka. But, yeah, I slept in a bit later than normal. Just took it easy this morning and didn't get up too early and do anything too stressful. Just spent a bit of time in the room, went out, grabbed some lunch, and got here around 4:00.
The last few days I've been waiting sort of five, six hours before I got on to the court because of the rain. And obviously because of the doubles last night as well. It was a little bit easier today.
Q. The ill-advised dropshots, was the shoe on the other foot tonight? Just joking.
ANDY MURRAY: Yeah, well, it's a shot that he uses normally very often and plays it very well and it's worked against me in the past.
Tonight I was moving well and it was a shot that I was expecting to see from him. There was a couple times it worked, but it wasn't through -- hitting clean winners.
In a tiebreak as well, when someone is sort of as solid as him you don't really expect to get a couple cheap points like that, so it was nice for me.
Q. I didn't watch all the match, but it didn't seem like you used too many dropshots yourself. Were you being more judicious?
ANDY MURRAY: Yeah, I used a lot of short slices. I think sometimes people get confused about the difference between a short slice and a dropshot.
You know, against someone like him, he's so comfortable from the back it's really important to change the pace and make him try and come forward a little bit as well.
Got a few errors like that, but, yeah, didn't have too many tonight.
Q. Did he say anything to you at the net or afterwards?
ANDY MURRAY: No, just, Good luck and well-played. Play well the rest of the tournament. I saw him in the locker room afterwards and had a little chat, but nothing too much.
Q. You mentioned a couple minutes ago that Nadal is the one guy you haven't beat yet. Don't know if you'll get him tomorrow. What has been your experience against him, and what has been the difference?
ANDY MURRAY: Last two times I played against him, you know, he was much better than me. Played really, really aggressive. The first two times I played him were really tight matches in the Australian Open and in Madrid. Both on hard courts and that's my best surface.
The guy is playing unbelievable this year. He's hitting his forehand so well and he moves great and his mental strength is, I think, the best on the tour.
So, you know, there's few guys that can sort of get up and play his game style every single day and never get tired of doing it. So that's one thing you know you got to expect him to play very well, and you have to play a great, great match to beat him.
Q. How did you feel you served today? Your percentage was quite low.
ANDY MURRAY: Yeah, well, I mean, it's a tough one. If you get broken once in a match against, you know, someone who returns as well as Djokovic, you could argue that it's a good serving day.
You know, my second serve was the thing that pleased me most tonight. I don't think I served any double faults. In the latter stage of the second set when did I miss a lot of first serves he didn't really get the chance to attack it.
First serve could have been more consistent, but second serve was very good.
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Re: Murray v Djokovic
« Reply #278 on: July 26, 2008, 05:16:04 PM »
July 25, 2008
Novak Djokovic
TORONTO, ONTARIO
A. MURRAY/N. Djokovic
6-3, 7-6
THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.
Q. You worked very hard and got back to within a point of set all. Do you think that would've tipped it for you if you managed to get that one?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yeah, probably. It's a different story if you're a set all and then you're coming back from 2-4 and winning the set 6-4. And then continuing going on from there I think I would have more chances.
In general, I wasn't really happy with the performance, and especially the serve was not -- it was not functioning in my favor in important moments when I really needed to serve it out and try to get out from the dangerous positions.
He put pressure on me. He was playing solid and wisely, waiting for my mistakes, and I had too many of those.
Q. I know you wouldn't be taking anything away from an Andy with his win, but why were you not functioning as you wanted to?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: I came to the match -- already first couple games you could see that I was pretty nervous and unpatient (sic). This is very dangerous to be in that position if you're playing against a player like Andy.
He's very patient, he's waiting, he has a lot of talent, great touch. He knows what shots to play in the right time. He served well. He was just waiting for me.
It could go either way if I won that second set, but he deserved to win.
Q. The nervousness, was that related to physical condition?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: No, not really. But, you know, you always have a little pressure here and there going on to the court.
But, well, can't explain it now. Just another bad day in the office.
Q. Were you surprised at the fact that some shots of yours that looked like were going to be winners he was able to get to repeatedly throughout the match?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Not really. I know that he's not the fastest player on the tour, but he moves great. As I said, he reads the ball and he has great anticipation on the court. Obviously he was reading my shots more than he used to.
Q. I was struck that there was a very key point in the second set where you had made a winner after a huge point. You hit a serve and he hit a smashing return straight past you. You stopped and immediately applauded with your racquet. Appeared that it was really important to you that it was a sporting contest rather than just a battle. Can you comment on that?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: We are rivals, you know. It's normal that on the court you have a lot of emotions and you want to win. That's absolutely normal and part of the sport.
You know, every person has a different behavior on the court. I admit when somebody makes a great shot. Why not? I congratulate them.
Q. When Roger lost earlier in the week it was a shock to a lot of people. You losing, even to Andy who you had never lost to before, I think would also qualify as a shock. Does this almost underline how hard it is to do what you and Roger and Rafa have done over the last few years, which is to consistently get deep through very difficult fields?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yeah, well, it's not easy to explain. Obviously as a player who has to travel all the time, you know, and the top players are usually getting to the final stages of the -- 90% of the events they play. This was the case with Roger, Rafa, and myself in the last year and a half.
I had my ups and downs this year maybe more than I'm supposed to have, but it's not easy. It's not easy. I have to cope with a lot of things. You have to just try to be consistent as much as you can if you want to stay at the top.
You have players like Andy, still young and up and coming. He was struggling with some injuries in the past year or so, and now he's motivated and playing great tennis.
Now there's a lot of great players, and everybody is working hard to get to the top.
Q. When you're at the top, the pressure would come every match, because everybody is gunning for you and will rise to you if they can.
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yeah, sure. It's part of the sport for everybody.
Q. You've said before that you thought sometimes when Andy plays against you he plays too defensively. Do you think that he did a better job tonight of going on the offensive more than he has in the past four times you've played?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yeah, yeah. He was going for some shots. It's the right game. I mean, he has a lot of variety in his game. He can change it up. He can change the pace any time he wants.
As I said, he has great touch. Today he was playing pretty well.
Q. How did seeing all the seeds falling out of the draw affect you tonight?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Next question.
Q. You seemed a little disturbed by the shouting of the fans in the second set. Large Serbian support I guess tonight.
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: It happens. It happens. I don't blame anybody. People don't understand when you're on the court you just have to focus. Tennis is a sport which, you know, is not allowed to shout during the point. I mean, it's allowed, but it's not appropriate for the players in order to focus.
But people want to support you.
Q. Can you talk about the tiebreak a little bit? You had that bad dropshot to start and then never seemed to really get back in.
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Last couple months I'm not playing really well tiebreaks. It's not really what I want to have for the future, but usually I was always good in the tiebreakers.
Now I kind of get nervous when I get to that stage. So I have to -- I just have to stay positive. I know that I have good game for hard courts, and I know that I'm there and I can beat anybody. I just need to believe in myself.
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Re: Murray v Djokovic
« Reply #279 on: July 26, 2008, 05:17:56 PM »
Not sure what Djokovic was on about when he said that he knows Murray isn't the fastest on tour. He obviously meant it as if to say that Murray isn't one of the best movers on tour. I'm not sure why he'd think that, since the one thing everyone seems to agree on is that Murray is probably the best mover out there besides Nadal.
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« Reply #280 on: July 26, 2008, 05:57:35 PM »
I don't think so. He actually said he's not the fastest player on the tour but he moves great. How does that mean to say he's not one of the best movers? Many commentaters have mentioned his movement before saying it's not that he's really fast it's just that he reads the game so well and sees the ball so early that he gets about the court unbelievably well. They've done the slow-down shot thing showing how he's often halfway to the ball before it even crosses the net. It's this that makes him one of the best movers and not his speed. Although Petch commented on the fact he's got quicker recently. I think this is what Nole was getting at more than anything.
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« Reply #281 on: July 26, 2008, 05:59:24 PM »
Quote from: ljsmall on July 26, 2008, 05:57:35 PM
I don't think so. He actually said he's not the fastest player on the tour but he moves great. How does that mean to say he's not one of the best movers? Many commentaters have mentioned his movement before saying it's not that he's really fast it's just that he reads the game so well and sees the ball so early that he gets about the court unbelievably well. They've done the slow-down shot thing showing how he's often halfway to the ball before it even crosses the net. It's this that makes him one of the best movers and not his speed. Although Petch commented on the fact he's got quicker recently. I think this is what Nole was getting at more than anything.
Are you kidding? They always say that he is one of the fastest. That is what they always say. They might call him one of the best movers, but they also harp on about how fast he is, how the opponent's drop shot "better be good because Murray is one of the fastest on tour".
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« Reply #282 on: July 26, 2008, 06:07:03 PM »
Best movers. It's different. He reads the shot so well he has 10 yards on everyone else before he starts moving. They say it all the time! I actually think it's better. I mean, anyone can get faster!
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« Reply #283 on: July 26, 2008, 06:12:16 PM »
Quote from: ljsmall on July 26, 2008, 06:07:03 PM
Best movers. It's different. He reads the shot so well he has 10 yards on everyone else before he starts moving. They say it all the time! I actually think it's better. I mean, anyone can get faster!
They say he is one of the fastest, too. They say both. How can you not have heard it? Peter Fleming in particular says it all the time.
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« Reply #284 on: July 27, 2008, 03:19:13 AM »
I think they do say both, but commentators arent gospel and very often dont know their arse from their elbow.
Id say he's DEFINATELY one of the best movers on the tour, and fast thanks to fast reactions and instinct - THAT shot against Gasquet, take a peek at the replay on the bbc site and you see him moving to his left way before the ball is even struck!
As for fastest, i personally wouldnt back him for a medal in a 100m race amongst the fastest tennis players....
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