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Mark
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Murray's entourage, was it the right move?
« on: May 08, 2008, 09:49:32 PM »
It's now a matter of urgency that Murray accepts he made a dreadful mistake in firing Brad and then having a team of coaches. He therefore needs to find himself a proper coach like any other ordinary player.
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 12:06:49 PM »
Quote from: Mark on May 08, 2008, 09:49:32 PM
This thread needs to be bumped - it's now a matter of urgency that Murray accepts he made a dreadful mistake and therefore finds a normal coach.
Who do you have in mind then?
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Murray's coaching team is dreadful mistake
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2008, 01:20:16 PM »
I think he'd rather give up tennis than subject himself to someone he knows would be a good coach, but whom he doesn't respect.
Sadly, I dont think he'd respect anyone for long.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 05:42:20 PM »
I have no idea about coaches in tennis so can't really give any ideas... Brad's son maybe? Would still be a big improvement.
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2008, 12:34:18 PM »
On what do these fans base their concerns of "yes men" in team Murray, because his new coaches have not been a silver bullet to instantly cure all of Andy's faults does not make them sycophants.
If you take Alex Corretja for example, I would say that from the start of the clay court season Andy's game has improved on this surface with Andy being more aggressive in his later matches.
Does Corretja not deserve some credit for this improvement with the professional advice that he would have given or is it just a coincidence and his only contribution was to peel grapes and massage the ego of the Scot.
If Andy is unwilling to change his game or take on board advice, it does not necessarily mean that the correct advice was not given in the first place.
As for Timmy,
He has a job to do in giving his opinion and read games as he sees them for the viewer, you would not expect Federer to take on board Tim's TV comments so why should it be different with Andy.
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2008, 01:03:50 PM »
The criticism that Murray has had over his entourage is about the more permanent members. Alex is the exception and is there only short term so will feel little need to watch his words with Murray as job security isn't an issue.
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2008, 01:22:39 PM »
And this criticism is based on what exactly?
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2008, 01:58:29 PM »
Criticism over his team has been mentioned so often on this forum but scattered about on loads of different threads so searching would be a nightmare but I'll give my opinion.
I feel under Petchey and Brad you were able to see changes in his game that ended up showing improvement. But under this new team he has changed very little and actually gone down hill. If they really said what they thought then no doubt they would be trying to get Murray to experiment with being more aggressive but we haven't seen this, maybe because they're afraid to tell him to try it out as it might turn out bad and therefore their job security would be at risk. With Brad you never saw that, he was brutally honest which worked wonders.
Alex, however, has a short time with Murray and therefore can be completely open without worrying about negative consequences. Under Alex we have seen him become much more aggressive and he seems to have changed his serve as well.
Even if my argument is poor, the fact remains that on this website and on many other websites I have looked at, there seems to be a growing number of people that believe the people around him are a bunch of mates rather than strong professional advisor's who will say what they feel.
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2008, 02:32:56 PM »
If as you say he has gone down hill or stagnated surely this would end a coaches involvement sooner rather than later so how are they improving their job security?
How do you know what is being said or what his coaching staff are saying to Andy and how much he is taking on board, it is pure speculation on your (and the others who feel this) part with no evidence to validate your point of view.
Brad told Murray to watch his body language as people would get a lift from thinking he was tired.
Yet to this day he still walks the court like a lethargic streak of piss if he ignored this advice from Brad what is he ignoring from his current coaches?
Andy by a lot of accounts has a keen tennis mind and has been coached since he was a pup, Do you not think he would have noticed if his coaches just suddenly started telling him that everything was rosy in the garden and he was constantly being unlucky?
Just because it is more convenient for fans to label his team "yes Men" does not make it true, but it is easier than apportioning blame were it belongs for his lack of progress, with the player himself.
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2008, 02:37:10 PM »
I agree it's speculation, it's also widespread and growing.
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2008, 08:12:54 PM »
The Times has recently brought into question whether this entourage is a bunch of yes-men.
There are times when the entourage of assorted coaches, fitness trainers, physios, agents, friends and relatives that comprises Team Murray requires two rows of the players’ box. Surely somebody is brave enough to inform Andy Murray that the drop shot is a tactic to employed only occasionally and then when the element of risk is minimal.
The workings of Team Murray remain a mystery to many. Does anyone have either the authority or courage to stand up to the player who ultimately is paying all the wages and state the blindingly obvious?
Somebody desperately has to stand up and say that too many drop shots will be suicidal against prospective opponents who have far more clay court experience.
Otherwise the outcome is going to be equally predictable and Murray will be back in Britain making an early start to his grass court campaign.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article4003906.ece
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2008, 08:12:59 AM »
I don't care if he keeps the yes-men physios and fitness trainers, but he needs to get someone as a coach who's an equally keen tennis mind, and a good scout (that was Brad's forte in many ways), and who can say no from time to time, and challenge him to prove him wrong. If he wants to keep the yes-men to go to dinner with so he doesn't get fed up with the coach fair enough...
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Re: Murray's entourage was dreadful mistake
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2008, 06:11:59 PM »
i wonder who pays for all the people???
i mean,we all dont know andy by person,but i think he is stubborn and i dont think with this people he´ll play better,i think a year and the first have to go
all good players like sampras,agassi or conners had coaches for a long time and were successful but today its different
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Re: Murray's entourage was dreadful mistake
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2008, 06:13:41 PM »
Quote from: dallas41 on May 26, 2008, 06:11:59 PM
i wonder who pays for all the people???
What do you mean? Murray does of course.
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