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top_spin
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2370 on: March 23, 2008, 01:56:15 AM »
I couldn't agree any more with you
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2371 on: March 23, 2008, 01:58:41 AM »
Probably because he's too portly to get on a bike, but heyho!
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2372 on: March 23, 2008, 02:56:55 AM »
Quote from: Mark on March 23, 2008, 12:46:58 AM
He's not obviously a moron, what a ridiculous comment to make based on him cycling through a red light.
It wasn't based on him cycling through a mere red light. It was based on him being stupid enough to break all those rules (whether they be minor road rules like going through a red light or going the wrong way round a traffic island or something else) when he should well know cameras are always on him. I just think it was quite a stupid thing to do for someone in his position. It may seem trivial, but it's not really about cycling through a red light. Some voters may reconsider whether they would like someone who could be so stupid running their country.
Just to be clear, I don't think he's an idiot for cycling through red lights and cycling the wrong way down one-way streets specifically (although one might argue they are not particularly intelligent things to do, but that's a different point). I think he was idiot for breaking such rules knowing full well that someone would notice (or in fact, for not realising that someone would be watching!), as someone in his position is always watched. It's trivial as I said, but what other mistakes could the guy be stupid enough to make when running a country? Just makes you think IMO.
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2373 on: March 23, 2008, 04:45:09 AM »
Quote from: Sir Panda on March 23, 2008, 01:58:41 AM
Probably because he's too portly to get on a bike, but heyho!
Exactly what I was thinking!!!
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Mark
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2374 on: March 23, 2008, 01:16:08 PM »
Quote from: invisibleman18 on March 23, 2008, 02:56:55 AM
It wasn't based on him cycling through a mere red light. It was based on him being stupid enough to break all those rules (whether they be minor road rules like going through a red light or going the wrong way round a traffic island or something else) when he should well know cameras are always on him. I just think it was quite a stupid thing to do for someone in his position. It may seem trivial, but it's not really about cycling through a red light. Some voters may reconsider whether they would like someone who could be so stupid running their country.
Just to be clear, I don't think he's an idiot for cycling through red lights and cycling the wrong way down one-way streets specifically (although one might argue they are not particularly intelligent things to do, but that's a different point). I think he was idiot for breaking such rules knowing full well that someone would notice (or in fact, for not realising that someone would be watching!), as someone in his position is always watched. It's trivial as I said, but what other mistakes could the guy be stupid enough to make when running a country? Just makes you think IMO.
If a voter changes their mind because they think he might be stupid based on these recent events then they are have no idea of Mr Cameron and therefore shouldn't really be voting in the first place. Anyone who just watches the news now and again will know he is a very intelligent man.
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2375 on: March 23, 2008, 01:21:39 PM »
Everyone has the right to vote, that's the whole point of Democracy isn't it? So why should someone whose opinion may be changed over something like this have any less right to vote than you? Just because they don't follow everything Brown or Cameron does that closely, why should they still not be allowed to decide who to vote for when an election comes along? Surely, how they come about this decision doesn't really matter.
I don't doubt there are plenty of undecided voters who don't follow things that closely, but may see incidents like these on the news which may make them consider whether this man is who they want running their country. In this respect, what he did was incredibly stupid.
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2376 on: March 23, 2008, 01:25:40 PM »
Quote from: invisibleman18 on March 23, 2008, 01:21:39 PM
Everyone has the right to vote, that's the whole point of Democracy isn't it? So why should someone whose opinion may be changed over something like this have any less right to vote than you?
I never said that he/she didn't have the right to vote, please let's not change the subject of the argument to a useless one.
Quote from: invisibleman18 on March 23, 2008, 01:21:39 PM
I don't doubt there are plenty of undecided voters who don't follow things that closely, but may see incidents like these on the news which may make them consider whether this man is who they want running their country. In this respect, what he did was incredibly stupid.
If this is indeed the case then yes what he did was foolish but I have, maybe unrealistically, a hope that people in Britain are not so stupid to place their vote based on this.
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2377 on: March 23, 2008, 01:29:50 PM »
Quote from: Mark on March 23, 2008, 01:25:40 PM
I never said that he/she didn't have the right to vote, please let's not change the subject of the argument to a useless one.
Quote from: Mark on March 23, 2008, 01:16:08 PM
If a voter changes their mind because they think he might be stupid based on these recent events then they are have no idea of Mr Cameron and
therefore shouldn't really be voting in the first place.
Please explain what was meant by the part in bold then. You said a person who might change their mind over this shouldn't be voting. Why not?
Quote from: Mark on March 23, 2008, 01:25:40 PM
If this is indeed the case then yes what he did was foolish but I have, maybe unrealistically, a hope that people in Britain are not so stupid to place their vote based on this.
I didn't really mean people would place their vote based on this. More that this incident may make some who are as yet undecide begin to consider their options. Certainly made me think he's a bit of a fool, although to be fair I obviously live somewhere where I don't hear an awful lot about him on the news.
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2378 on: March 23, 2008, 01:29:52 PM »
Quote from: Mark on March 23, 2008, 01:25:40 PM
I never said that he/she didn't have the right to vote, please let's not change the subject of the argument to a useless one.
Alex has a perfectly good point, it does look like that's what you're saying...
Quote from: Mark on March 23, 2008, 01:16:08 PM
If a voter changes their mind because they think he might be stupid based on these recent events then they are have no idea of Mr Cameron
and therefore shouldn't really be voting in the first place.
Anyone who just watches the news now and again will know he is a very intelligent man.
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2379 on: March 23, 2008, 03:17:08 PM »
I should always have the right to vote but I would restrain myself from voting if all I could base it on were the events of the politician breaking a few silly rules on his bicycle, that's what I'm trying to stay.
I think it's absurd this argument has turned into the subject of the right to vote, why the f**k am I trying to defend myself when I'm
always
the person on the other side this argument.
I'm not going to make any further comment on this - it's not what we were meant to be talking about, it's a nonexistent argument based on a misinterpretation of one of my posts.
[ Last edit by Mark March 23, 2008, 03:24:08 PM ]
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2380 on: March 23, 2008, 04:37:42 PM »
Dont worry Mark. I understand what your saying and tbh, I think Alex your over reacting a bit.
Anyway..MArk you gonna be voting for Boris Johnson in May?
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2381 on: March 23, 2008, 08:59:16 PM »
I love the things he's proposing but I can't help but feel it's mostly talk and no action. However, if I vote it would probably be for him.
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nkp2
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2382 on: March 23, 2008, 09:36:05 PM »
I agree entirely with Mark.
Alex, I think that what you are saying, while valid, would be incredibly disappoiting to me if it were true. If someone decides not to vote for a politician (be they party leader or not) due to the smallest traffic violation which is frankly a joke, then they themselves are quite pathetic and shouldn't be voting based on that.
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2383 on: March 23, 2008, 10:18:50 PM »
Bravo
Pathetic was the word that was constantly coming to my mind in this argument
[ Last edit by Mark March 23, 2008, 10:20:47 PM ]
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nkp2
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Re: News Thread
« Reply #2384 on: March 23, 2008, 10:20:22 PM »
I want to see Boris as Prime Minister! This country would be truly awesome!
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