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Question: Murray's ranking by the start of the US Open will be:
1-3 - 0 (0%)
4-6 - 13 (22%)
7-10 - 33 (55.9%)
11-20 - 10 (16.9%)
21+ - 3 (5.1%)
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1260 on: July 31, 2007, 09:29:07 AM »

The ATP disagrees with your notion of his current ranking Mikey Wink

Of course they do! I dont know what is so difficult to undestand. Go back about 30 pages in this thread and at the beginning of every week, someone, either me, Lorna, Neil or Jake has posted Where Andy's current rank is. Thats way ahead of the Useless ATP site. We've been tracking his progress the same way for months now, so I dont know why you are saying now that its wrong, because its not.The ATP will update next Monday with where I said he was (14th) yesterday!
So we're way ahead of them on that aspect!   AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH lol
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1261 on: July 31, 2007, 11:42:49 AM »

Don't worry... Marek thinks he's first... Rolling Eyes
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1262 on: July 31, 2007, 04:50:55 PM »

Don't worry... Marek thinks he's first... Rolling Eyes

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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1263 on: August 01, 2007, 02:17:08 AM »

Of course they do! I dont know what is so difficult to undestand. Go back about 30 pages in this thread and at the beginning of every week, someone, either me, Lorna, Neil or Jake has posted Where Andy's current rank is. Thats way ahead of the Useless ATP site. We've been tracking his progress the same way for months now, so I dont know why you are saying now that its wrong, because its not.The ATP will update next Monday with where I said he was (14th) yesterday!
So we're way ahead of them on that aspect!   AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH lol


It's pointless saying that though. His current ranking is 13, FACT!
Only update the ranking after he has officially lost the points of the week and has a new ranking next Monday!! Rolling Eyes
Predicting his ranking is fine, but it doesn't remove the fact that his current ranking is 13....
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1264 on: August 01, 2007, 02:50:48 AM »

Of course they do! I dont know what is so difficult to undestand. Go back about 30 pages in this thread and at the beginning of every week, someone, either me, Lorna, Neil or Jake has posted Where Andy's current rank is. Thats way ahead of the Useless ATP site. We've been tracking his progress the same way for months now, so I dont know why you are saying now that its wrong, because its not.The ATP will update next Monday with where I said he was (14th) yesterday!
So we're way ahead of them on that aspect!   AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH lol
Whenever we have stated Andy's rank it has always been his current rank. When we state his future rank we make sure to use the appropriates language to make sure everyone understands that is a prediction. It's obviously best that way otherwise guests will wonder why we state Andy as something he has yet to be.
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1265 on: August 01, 2007, 10:39:26 AM »


It's pointless saying that though. His current ranking is 13, FACT!
Only update the ranking after he has officially lost the points of the week and has a new ranking next Monday!! Rolling Eyes
Predicting his ranking is fine, but it doesn't remove the fact that his current ranking is 13....

No, I wont only say his ranking on the Monday. How many times have we said if Andy beats this guy, he will move up to ---- ?? So why should we change that now because you want it that way. Cate, you obviously havent spent enough time in this thread, to understand why its called    RANKING NEXT WEEK!!!  Its not ranking this week is it?????? Rolling Eyes
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1266 on: August 01, 2007, 10:42:27 AM »

Whenever we have stated Andy's rank it has always been his current rank. When we state his future rank we make sure to use the appropriates language to make sure everyone understands that is a prediction. It's obviously best that way otherwise guests will wonder why we state Andy as something he has yet to be.


Mark, dont talk boll**ks! Its f**king obvious, the thread is called Ranking Next Week! I think you ask more than anybody about his future rank, so dont pretend like you think its different! Rolling Eyes
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1267 on: August 01, 2007, 12:38:48 PM »

Of course they do! I dont know what is so difficult to undestand. Go back about 30 pages in this thread and at the beginning of every week, someone, either me, Lorna, Neil or Jake has posted Where Andy's current rank is. Thats way ahead of the Useless ATP site. We've been tracking his progress the same way for months now, so I dont know why you are saying now that its wrong, because its not.The ATP will update next Monday with where I said he was (14th) yesterday!
So we're way ahead of them on that aspect!   AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH lol

I agree with you there. You take everyone's points off for the next week and then just add on as they gain them back and shuffle it about. It's the easiest way to work it if you want decent predictions. And you do normally quite like our decent predictions don't you Mark?
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1268 on: August 01, 2007, 12:43:10 PM »

Id love someone to apologise to someone else right now, that would be impressive  wub
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1269 on: August 01, 2007, 01:18:30 PM »

No, I wont only say his ranking on the Monday. How many times have we said if Andy beats this guy, he will move up to ---- ?? So why should we change that now because you want it that way. Cate, you obviously havent spent enough time in this thread, to understand why its called    RANKING NEXT WEEK!!!  Its not ranking this week is it?????? Rolling Eyes

Well then say he will move to 14 as of next week as he loses the points he was defending, instead of this...

Andy is 14th and cant be overtaken this week! woohoo
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1270 on: August 01, 2007, 01:20:29 PM »

I absolutely understand why you said his future ranking, that's not in dispute but my suggestion is to use slightly different language next time to not confuse the guests Think

I don't recall anyone saying Andy's ranking IS xx, they always say "next week" or "will be", that's all I'm talking about Smile
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1271 on: August 01, 2007, 01:22:02 PM »

It's just that it ends up conflicting with the frontpage which is updated from the ATP.
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1272 on: August 01, 2007, 03:40:57 PM »

Well then say he will move to 14 as of next week as he loses the points he was defending, instead of this...


I absolutely understand why you said his future ranking, that's not in dispute but my suggestion is to use slightly different language next time to not confuse the guests Think

I don't recall anyone saying Andy's ranking IS xx, they always say "next week" or "will be", that's all I'm talking about Smile

It's just that it ends up conflicting with the frontpage which is updated from the ATP.


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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1273 on: August 01, 2007, 03:45:10 PM »

To me, If Mike says "Andy is 14th and no one can overtake him! " then that's his ranking. Whether it conflicts with the ATP or not.
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1274 on: August 01, 2007, 03:57:46 PM »

Yeah, cool! Basically The ATP site will give Andys rank on Monday, then the next Monday and so on and on and on. A lot of us have been keeping track of his ranking and posting more regularly, almost daily changes. When he hasnt played there wasnt that much to post, but when he didnt play this week and there are almost nobody near him playing, its easier and quicker to tell where he will be ranked next week. So instead of us saying if he beats someone he'll be ranked here, there were no conditions to his ranking, it was simply he is 14th.  I think Cate and Mark just got confused, and to be honest we should be happy that our community can tell where Andy will be ranked before the ATP site. I dont know why there was so much complaining!
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1275 on: August 01, 2007, 04:04:48 PM »

No, we understand how the ranking works, we were just saying that his official ranking is 13th doh
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1276 on: August 01, 2007, 04:18:39 PM »

I can't believe this whole argument has happened purely because Mike forgot to put "will be" in his sentence but instead used "is" which is present tense.

Saying Andy IS 14th is a false statement when ATP say his current ranking is still 13th. We are not confused here - we understand that this thread is designed for predicting Andy's ranking for the next week but that doesn't mean we don't sometimes discuss his CURRENT rank and because of this it's helpful to distinguish between the two by using the appropriate language.

What you were trying to say Mike was not wrong but could easily be interpreted as false due to your use of words, that's all. Smile
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1277 on: August 01, 2007, 04:41:44 PM »

No, we understand how the ranking works, we were just saying that his official ranking is 13th doh

Well dont accuse me of being wrong! And you can always post that in Andys Official Ranking Thread, not this one.

I can't believe this whole argument has happened purely because Mike forgot to put "will be" in his sentence but instead used "is" which is present tense.

Saying Andy IS 14th is a false statement when ATP say his current ranking is still 13th. We are not confused here - we understand that this thread is designed for predicting Andy's ranking for the next week but that doesn't mean we don't sometimes discuss his CURRENT rank and because of this it's helpful to distinguish between the two by using the appropriate language.

What you were trying to say Mike was not wrong but could easily be interpreted as false due to your use of words, that's all. Smile

I can now see why people get very annoyed by your way of arguing! And dont say this whole argument is because I forgot to post something. Thats boll**ks. I've not done anything differently to whats been posted in here for the last few months. Perhaps Cates just not used to how this thread works! And I honestly dont mean that as an insult, I just mean this probably isnt one of her most visited threads, so she might have picked up on what she thought was a mistake by me.
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1278 on: August 01, 2007, 04:45:34 PM »

I can't recall anyone refer to Andy's future ranking in present tense here. We always use the words "predict", "future", "next week", "will be".
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Re: Ranking next week... « Reply #1279 on: August 01, 2007, 04:51:43 PM »

We've been saying it like that for months. Because this is such an up to date ranking prediction we usually go with the players ranking that day based on points deducted and gained. for consistancy and ease a players ranking is only OFFICIALLY updated once a week. But effectively it is affected and changes everyday. Which is what we ALWAYS do in this thread, and is what Mike did here. So Mike wasn't even wrong with his terminology. He didn't forget to put 'will be' he meant to put is, and was perfectly right to do so. This is cause we don't always KNOW what Murray will be cause it's usually complicated. We put where he is with points deducted then put how that can change with him and/or others gaining points.
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