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Australian Open R1: Andy Murray vs Tomas Martin Etcheverry
ChrisMac
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Quote from: Aileen on January 15, 2024, 08:59 am
Thanks for the comments Tryz.  Not the sort of score you want to waken up to, but I can only imagine how Andy must feel because after what he'd been saying, I really thought he would do it this time.

Me too Aileen, it sounded like a nightmare of a match, poor Andy.
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Tryz
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Mixed emotions, I want to see him perform forever after all the hard work he's put in to try and salvage his career after the massive injury that wrecked the latter part of his career but knowing when to retire must be the hardest thing in the world for him to come to terms with. No doubt the best player we will ever have in our life time (British) it has been an absolute pleasure to watch him over the years.
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Aileen
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I agree Tryz, and he said himself that if things don't improve this year he'll retire, and this is hardly the best start to the season, especially when you compare it to last year.   BBC report said it was a pretty subdued performance, which is not like the Andy we know and love.  Report also said he seemed to be quite emotional when he came off court - so could this finally be his goodbye to Australia?
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Tryz
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It certainly seemed that way I thought I saw him looking upset as he was leaving might of been a few tears in the eyes.
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Tryz
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/breaking-andy-murray-drops-huge-31882456
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merlynne
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So sad for Andy , he has worked so very hard .
Disappointed for Andy , I was so
 looking forward to watching him , Sending him lots of love always ❤️❤️❤️❤️
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Pedantic F.C.
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So, so sad.  I was hoping the fact that he'd done quite well against Dimitrov who went on to win the tournament in Brisbane was a good sign that he was ready.  I saw a bit of the match but started to give up towards the end of the 2nd set - Russel Fuller mentioned that he thought Andy lacks the weapons to really trouble players now and sadly that looks to be the case.  I would love to see him choose to focus on doubles as I think he has the skills/touch to be a top-class doubles player and could win grand slams if he want that route - possibly with Jamie?
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Aileen
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Quote from: Tryz on January 15, 2024, 09:44 am
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/breaking-andy-murray-drops-huge-31882456
Reading that I felt like crying.

Quote from: Pedantic F.C. on January 15, 2024, 11:00 am
So, so sad.  I was hoping the fact that he'd done quite well against Dimitrov who went on to win the tournament in Brisbane was a good sign that he was ready.  I saw a bit of the match but started to give up towards the end of the 2nd set - Russel Fuller mentioned that he thought Andy lacks the weapons to really trouble players now and sadly that looks to be the case.  I would love to see him choose to focus on doubles as I think he has the skills/touch to be a top-class doubles player and could win grand slams if he want that route - possibly with Jamie?
Andy said himself that he finds playing younger players difficult.  Doubles would be good but somehow I don't think it'll happen, and Jamie has a regular partner now anyway.
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marathonarthur
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Many seeing that rather tepid match will take the 'Andy should retire' attitude but I think that giving up what has been his life for so long is not realistic. I put an idea to you all which, I feel, should have been done after he had decided to return to competitive tennis after the operations.

He has to change his approach. Most of us here had advised that he did some easier tournaments so that he could win and get confidence. Karl Edmond won one of these this week and that will do him more good than a 'hopeful' outing in a grand slam playing just one match and losing.

Consider this. We all know that sporting success is dependant mainly on mental not physical fitness. He could get back to being in the top twenty, perhaps, but he needs more time for the mental bit than he is allowing. I saw the possibility of doing great times again and tried to run too fast as if I was no more than 30, got injured, and failed and since have tried to run as I did before then. The mind is still letting me down after two years. With that comes more frustration and the situation gets worse. He needs to slowly build up his game to suit how top level tennis is now played out there before he can expect to win consistently at this level. I have learnt that it is better to run where I can compete at my current level to get enjoymant and more motivation. I am happy to run a sub 25 minute 5Km when my mind still thinks that I can do the sub twenties of less than ten years ago! My single Km speed and time is still there but I have to be realistic. Competing has nothing to do with ability, which he surely has, so that mental side is his main problem as it is with me. With constant failure doubt and caution take over especially as you get older and all that information in the head on past susccesses can make it worse.

Just ideas!  I have managed to help others but not myself -  he does need to be better advised but that is difficult because all competitors rely on their own judgements mostly and often do not need coaches but more friendly supporters. I would love him to work his way back so we can enjoy his play at major events so I hope that he finds that.

Sorry that was so long but as a lifetime supporter of Andy I do worry that he has not done what is best to continue at a good competitive level.  Perhaps I am wrong and during the year he will regain his competitive energy and direction.  We will see.
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Apollo
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I watched through the second set till he was two breaks down, mostly had to watch the live update as  they broke away from Andy and I had to go to sleep. There wasn’t any fight in Andy, usually when he’s down he fights harder.  It was sad to watch. I thought maybe if I go to sleep he will do better and I’ll wake up to a surprise. So sad for Andy.
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Tryz
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Quote from: marathonarthur on January 15, 2024, 11:56 am

Sorry that was so long but as a lifetime supporter of Andy I do worry that he has not done what is best to continue at a good competitive level.  Perhaps I am wrong and during the year he will regain his competitive energy and direction.  We will see.

It's clear he came back with the intentions of competing at the highest levels and having deep runs in tournaments which he has alluded to on many occasions. He has enjoyed very competitive matches against top players and beaten them in his runs - Stuttgart and Doha - but also suffered heartbreaking losses from winning positions since then due to a combination of physical and mental fatigue given his age I suspect.
 He has managed to return to the world's top 50 which is an outstanding achievement in itself. He plays for the love of the sport and the buzz it brings to him competing on the biggest stages. A return to the challenger tour I cannot see as a realistic expectation, it's like driving a Ferrari all your life and then finding yourself in a Skoda. Even if he were to win those matches and tournaments the feelings wouldn't be the same. A top flight professionals career always has an expiry date and unfortunately Andy's is approaching he has nothing left to give and he should take solace in a great career and I would love to see him involved in a tennis capacity whether that be coaching or punditry.
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JRAJ
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It hurts to be honest, I've followed Murray's career since 2005 when saw Murray play Tomas Johannsson at the Queen's club and realized then he had something special.

We knew that when Murray returned in 2019 he was not going to be the same player he was from 2005-2017 though he showed glimpses of brilliance, he won an ATP tour title and then got injured in a Davis Cup match late in 2019, then Covid happened and after that period Murray never regained that late 2019 form which was of a top 20 level in my opinion.

His physical limitations have hamstrung him but being out there is an amazing achievement in itself.
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althusser
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I'm expecting him to announce that Wimbledon will be his last tournament.

But that is a guess.
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ChrisMac
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Queens would be better, in a place that he loves and won 5 times , “ King of Queens”
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Aileen
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Quote from: althusser on January 15, 2024, 05:20 pm
I'm expecting him to announce that Wimbledon will be his last tournament.

But that is a guess.

Quote from: ChrisMac on January 15, 2024, 06:40 pm
Queens would be better, in a place that he loves and won 5 times , “ King of Queens”
That might depend on whether he still wants to compete in the Olympics or not, although if he still isn't playing well then there's not much point in competing.  Whatever, it can't be pleasant reading endless newspaper headlines predicting your imminent retirement from a sport you've always loved playing.
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