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Australian Open R4: Andy Murray vs Mischa Zverev
deb
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OMG.      so sad for Andy ..
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syc23
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Quote from: Apollo on January 22, 2017, 07:27 am
Andy never gave up, but zverev  played incredible tennis, had a lot of luck, and was very hard to beat.

It was Andy dumping every shot into the net that did it.

Andy never had trust in his own game getting softballed and returning the favour by playing the same.

The only guy I really want to win AUS now is Rafa but have a strange feeling it'll be Stan or Fed.
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ST Essex
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Sorry Aileen, fan or no fan, but that was embarrassing. To pretend otherwise is actually embarrassing from your perspective,
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Apollo
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A serve and volley player is tough to play, I know you all hate Sampras, but he won a lot of matches because he was a serve and volley player and got a lot of balls back because he was at the net.
I love you Andy and it's not the end of the world, you just ran into a guy who was in the zone.
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Aileen
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Quote from: ABF on January 22, 2017, 07:32 am
Zverev made plenty of errors....Andy showed absolutely no composure befitting of a No1 today. Had chances... blew them all. Struggling to think of a worse performance in a slam from him. Bizarre .....
No composure?  Well you could have fooled me.  He was considerably more composed than many of us were.  Worse than Wimbledon 2014?
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Quote from: ST Essex on January 22, 2017, 07:34 am
Think this may be the beginning of the end. Got to number 1 and apart from the Querrey match, has looked shaky and bereft of confidence in 2017.

Oh for GOD'S SAKE.  I'm beginning to think you're just trying to wind people up at this point.  It's JANUARY and you're judging his year already?
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ST Essex
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Quote from: Apollo on January 22, 2017, 07:37 am
A serve and volley player is tough to play, I know you all hate Sampras, but he won a lot of matches because he was a serve and volley player and got a lot of balls back because he was at the net.
I love you Andy and it's not the end of the world, you just ran into a guy who was in the zone.

Sampras was an all time great. World number 1. You can't compare this guy to him.
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counter_ puncher
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Andy as one of the best passers should have been able to get past Zverev more often. And then this unnecessary break right at the beginning of set four where he was simply not ruthless enough set the tone and made Zverev believe.
I am still shocked.
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Quote from: ST Essex on January 22, 2017, 07:36 am
Sorry Aileen, fan or no fan, but that was embarrassing. To pretend otherwise is actually embarrassing from your perspective,
His consistency deserted him didn't it. He was really patchy.But MZ plays the kind of tennis that is seldom encountered these days and, was on fire!
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Quote from: doublebagel on January 22, 2017, 07:39 am
Oh for GOD'S SAKE.  I'm beginning to think you're just trying to wind people up at this point.  It's JANUARY and you're judging his year already?

Honestly I'm not. This could be one of those losses that puts him into a  serious slump. We have seen it before.
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amongsttheleaves
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Disappointing, but at the same time Mischa's game was great to watch. Had a feeling Andy would struggle with the time being taken away from him by Mischa's presence at the net - we saw Andy struggle at the FO when that happened last year against Steps and Bourge.

Andy hit more winners 70 to 56 from Mischa, and only 2 more unforced errors 28 to 26, but he also ran less which is surprising. There were 10 points between them. Mischa attacked Andy's second serve, which has been less varied and slower than at the AO in 2016.

In general after Andy's first two tournaments of the year I'm left wondering what aspects of Andy's game have been improved over the 2016 off-season. We saw obvious improvements to key aspects after the end of 2014 and 2015, but I don't feel anything is standing out as a clear cut step up, and the second serve seems to have regressed.

Even when Andy was mentally distracted and emotionally unavailable at the AO in last year he fought his way to the final. Disappointing for me that he couldn't back that up in a year when everything seemed in his favour, unlike last year when off-court things were priority.
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Aileen
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Quote from: ST Essex on January 22, 2017, 07:36 am
Sorry Aileen, fan or no fan, but that was embarrassing. To pretend otherwise is actually embarrassing from your perspective,
Really?  Disappointed yes, embarrassed no.  Also I repeat what I've said dozens of times when Andy loses big matches - think how he must feel instead of going on about how you feel.  And he was clearly very unhappy at his presser, even if he did his best to hide it.
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deb
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Quote from: Aileen on January 22, 2017, 07:44 am
Really?  Disappointed yes, embarrassed no.  Also I repeat what I've said dozens of times when Andy loses big matches - think how he must feel instead of going on about how you feel.
Well said Aileen.
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moonglow
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This'll be a very long day - so sorry Andy, we'll see you next time - have some rest.
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ABF
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Quote from: Aileen on January 22, 2017, 07:38 am
No composure?  Well you could have fooled me.  He was considerably more composed than many of us were.  Worse than Wimbledon 2014?

Nah... all the petulant arguing with his box was back in abundance the whole match...played like he had no plan B. Didn't even sense he fought that hard. Simply a terrible match from Andy by his standards.
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