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Murray in 3 - 15 (75%)
Murray in 4 - 4 (20%)
Murray in 5 - 0 (0%)
Zverev in 3 - 1 (5%)
Zverev in 4 - 0 (0%)
Zverev 5 - 0 (0%)
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Australian Open R4: Andy Murray vs Mischa Zverev
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Quote from: amongsttheleaves on January 22, 2017, 03:11 pm
The correlation between AO finals reached and his preparation tournament is with the Hopman Cup not Brisbane.

I was hoping someone would point that out.  I think the problem with the pre season was probably more to do with the tumultuous ending to 2016 - I think Johnny Mac has a point it may well be catching up with Andy now, especially dealing with the shift to being No. 1 and the Knighthood etc.  Andy would in normal circumstances work out how to deal with an opponent playing lights out tennis, today it felt like he tried everything, long rallies, shortening the points and nothing was working.  I take nothing away from Zeverev who played an amazing  match, I do however, feel he possibly will never play that well again.  It's the highs and lows of sport.
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blueberryhill
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I heard Johnny Mac say he thought Andy would be emotionally exhausted after his extraordinary run last year.
Connor and I had a bit of a rant about it! Reckon we owe Mac an apology.
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Ruthie
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re the pre-tournament played correlation is not the same as causation. 
Re coming to the net - Andy himself won 29 out of 44 net points ie 66% to Zverev's 55% of his 118 net points. 
I see that Zverev said his tactic was to stop Andy getting any rhythm.  That would help explain why Andy's timing was off some of the time - and that is after a match against a big server, which itself can disrupt a player's rhythm.
I'm sure Fed will have no problem  -not just for the reasons already given by others but also apparently he's Zverev's hero so I suspect he'll just fold faced by a long time hero and also giant killers so often do in the following round
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blueberryhill
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Istomin didn't Ruthie, so we can but hope! However, having just seen Kei fold, not holding my breath here.
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Ruthie
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that's true bbh but Fed is a rather different proposition - but I always live in hope!
Re what bignose said about scheduling when jaded - when he signed up for those tournaments he wouldn't have known that he'd have played himself into the ground at the end of the season.   In any case I can't imagine it would have been a good idea to play no warm up tournament and it might have been difficult to have pulled out of Abu Dabhi. That's the one I feel was too much as without it he could have had more of a break after xmas. 
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BigNose
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I hope Rafa or Fed win. Anyone but Stan.
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tamila
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Quote from: BigNose on January 22, 2017, 04:04 pm
I hope Rafa or Fed win. Anyone but Stan.
I agree. Stan in my book does not deserve another slam without a few more other titles or at least more consistency
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caroline
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I've just watched the replay of Andy's match on eurosport. I think that he was tired. Never mind i can't say that I really enjoy watching the AO because i am always playing catch up. Because most of his matches are being played when I am in bed asleep.
Andy can have a rest now and look forward to celebrating his daughter's first birthday. I look forward to watching him at his next tournament.
I don't really care who wins the AO now. I really thought that Andy would win it this year. Maybe Tsonga can win a GS for a change. I will be keeping my fingers crossed for him.
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deb
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Thank you Ruthie MM Aileen and Caroline, and some others , a lot of sense posted , I still feel Andy is going to have another good year, but he won't win everything, everyone has bad days .
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jdonald
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Caroline I agree with you too.I do notcare who wins the AO.I actually think johnmac was right too tired after the year end and also the pressures of no 1 whichmay Ihave suddenly set in. He needs a good break hav e abit of un withhis family and then he will be refreshed.I wonder what Lendl thinks of this,
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Ruthie
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I agree deb.  I've never really bought the media line that Andy would now dominate in the way that Novak did for so long.   What Andy achieved the second half of last year was amazing but I just couldn't see him keeping it up tournament in tournament out.  I think we had a veiled warning to that effect in what he said about Novak not being able to maintain that level for ever - and look what it has appeared to have cost him in terms of burn out.  Of course I'm disappointed he didn't finally win the AO but I'm not as down as I've been after earlier significant losses because no one can now take away from him what he has achieved and the joy he has given us in doing so.
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ABF
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Some, media pundits etc,  are a bit overboard about Zverev's performance. He played as well as he can play Id say...he played some great shots...he also played a ton of mistakes which an in form Andy usually takes advantage of. Andy wasn't making a very low percentage of his trademark shots. His serving wasn't at his best level either. His composure at important moments also just wasn't there.

Arguably Andy's best opportunity to win the Aus open. Next year he should have a good shot at it also.... after that Id say chances will decline.

Roll on the French...If he can reproduce or better last years clay form he'll be right in the mix.
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Quote from: ABF on January 22, 2017, 07:36 pm
Some, media pundits etc,  are a bit overboard about Zverev's performance. He played as well as he can play Id say...he played some great shots...he also played a ton of mistakes which an in form Andy usually takes advantage of. Andy wasn't making a very low percentage of his trademark shots. His serving wasn't at his best level either. His composure at important moments also just wasn't there.

Arguably Andy's best opportunity to win the Aus open. Next year he should have a good shot at it also.... after that Id say chances will decline.

Roll on the French...If he can reproduce or better last years clay form he'll be right in the mix.

I'd love to see him take the FO as that's the one he was ever least expected to win - that would actually be so "Murraylike" to do the thing that ismleadt expected.  There would be a certain irony in that. 
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Aileen
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Quote from: ST Essex on January 22, 2017, 09:16 am
To make someone sit down an hour or so after a tough loss and answer a load of questions is pointless. You aren't going to find out much, and you'll get the standard answers such as "my opponent deserved to win" etc.
That's exactly what I've been saying for years now, but apparently players get penalised if they refuse to turn up.  Ridiculous.


Quote from: doublebagel on January 22, 2017, 11:06 am
I personally don't mind who wins now, except Wawrinka. Anyone but Wawrinka.  Sorry Stan.
I can see exactly where you're coming from, but fortunately I remain cautiously optimistic that Andy will win a Slam this year, maybe even Wimbledon again.

Quote from: ST Essex on January 22, 2017, 11:21 am
The more you think about this, the worse it seems to get.
In what way exactly because personally I really can't see anything that was so horrendous today.  He was caught on the hop on what was no doubt going to be a bit of an iffy day anyway by a talented serve and volleyer whose game seemed designed to constantly flummox him, not helped by the court conditions.  It wasn't that Andy didn't try, just that much of his usual tactics simply failed to work - although I could cheerfully have hit him on the head with a hammer for his constant attempts at lobbing, which could have been great against most players, but nearly all of them got smashed right back by Zverev, yet he still kept on doing them.  Rather confusing that.
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Quote from: Ruthie on January 22, 2017, 12:39 pm
It's odd isn't it how Andy's so-called fans are so much more negative about how Andy played than are the commentators.  I don't think Andy played that bad a match - in fact the only real poor stat was the returns oddly enough. He actually won a higher proportion of net points than did Mischa the master volleyer and he had more winners + a v good winner/ue ratio.  Also I don't think he was flat or 'disinterested' (I assume the person who said that meant uninterested).  I think he was flummexed by Mischa when so many of his best shots came back at him.  That said of course Andy playing at his best could have beaten him.  But some of you don't seem to be wiling to give credit to just how well Mischa played.  Would a journeyman have climbed back to no 50 after being right out of it for so long with all those injuries?  Andy was rightly respectful of how well he played. 
It is of course disappointing not least for Andy.  But as usual some people are writing him off completely at the first stumble.  People who use adjectives such as 'embarrassing' are an embarrassment to the forum.,  Thanks to the likes of Aileen and deb who have defended Andy.  Personally I'm sad but nothing can take away from what he has achieved and I'm sure he'll learn from this as he himself has said.   Whether it's time for another change in his coaching set up I don't know but isn't it possible this is partly a hangover from having been the tiredest he'd ever been at end of last season according to him and then having such a short break?   I'm glad he'll have a break now - before and after DC with time for some rest before Dubai.

ps Andy's fsp was 66 per cent the same as Mischa's - not bad at all.  It was the regression in the 2nd serve which let him down on the serving front.
 
Good posting!
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