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PM R3 - Murray vs Radek "Sexy Beast" Stepanek
Clydey
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People seem to forget that Federer just lost to Benneteau. Some perspective please.
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araminta
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Yes. He didnt get all this crap dumped on him.
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Mark
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Yeah.
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AL1874
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Quote from: Clydey on November 12, 2009, 06:45 pm
Oh, shut up. A solid top ten player? You really need to get a grip.

He has won 4 Masters events in the past year and 13 titles since he turned pro. You tell me how many other solid top ten players have done that.

Off the top of my head right now I can think of one.

Novak Djokovic

15 titles, 1 grand slam, 1 Masters Cup, 4 Masters series, 9 APT events.

I would say that he is no more than a solid top ten player at present.


Quote from: Clydey on November 12, 2009, 06:52 pm
No one said it was a disgrace. We're disagreeing with the idiotic assertion that Murray is just a solid top 10 player.

Andy has the potential to be the best in the world, but up until now the level he has found has been a comfortable top 5 player.

All sports are littered with players who do not realise there full potential, be it through attitude, injury, Opponents they face, luck of the draw or external factors that affects their performance.

It may have been more correct to say they are both solid top 5 players but the point Daisy made is correct with his results so far in his career.

So why is her posts stupid or idiotic?
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allyh84
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I don't think he'll ever win a slam tbh. :-( He missed his best chances at Wimbledon 09 and USO 08.
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AL1874
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He has the ability to win slams and I think he will in the next two years.

But if he does not he will be remembered as a player who was in the top ten for x amount of years like Tim Henman.
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Quote from: AL1874 on November 13, 2009, 11:42 am
He has the ability to win slams and I think he will in the next two years.

But if he does not he will be remembered as a player who was in the top ten for x amount of years like Tim Henman.


  I hope he realises his own ambitions and I too feel he can go higher. AL 1874 you are obviously a MW old timer - why don't we hear from you more often?
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boogers
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Quote from: araminta on November 12, 2009, 06:55 pm
Yes. He didnt get all this crap dumped on him.

Not on here he didn't, but MTF was full of angry Fedtards kicking the crap out of him (and about as many gleeful Fedhaters).

I think it's natural for a player who wildly under-performs to get bashed by his fans, if only because of disappointment.
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AL1874
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Quote from: janscribe on November 13, 2009, 11:51 am
AL 1874 you are obviously a MW old timer - why don't we hear from you more often?

I have other stuff to do and just drifted away and once that happens you lose touch with what is going on so it becomes a lot less interesting.

I still look in from time to time, but rarely can be bothered to add anything.
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Mark
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Quote from: AL1874 on November 13, 2009, 12:21 pm
I have other stuff to do and just drifted away and once that happens you lose touch with what is going on so it becomes a lot less interesting.

I still look in from time to time, but rarely can be bothered to add anything.

Does the fact Andy is so successful now have anything to do with it? It's nothing like the old days where you would get excited about every single match he would play because he was the underdog Smile
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Clydey
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Quote from: AL1874 on November 13, 2009, 11:34 am
Off the top of my head right now I can think of one.

Novak Djokovic

15 titles, 1 grand slam, 1 Masters Cup, 4 Masters series, 9 APT events.

I would say that he is no more than a solid top ten player at present.

I'm sorry, but those results and the fact that he is still consistently reaching finals and winning ATP events means that he is not merely a solid top 10 player. Solid top 10 players are consistent performers, who occasionally reach a final or win an ATP event.

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Andy has the potential to be the best in the world, but up until now the level he has found has been a comfortable top 5 player.

All sports are littered with players who do not realise there full potential, be it through attitude, injury, Opponents they face, luck of the draw or external factors that affects their performance.

It may have been more correct to say they are both solid top 5 players but the point Daisy made is correct with his results so far in his career.

So why is her posts stupid or idiotic?


The number of players who win 4 Masters events is tiny, let alone in the space of a year, in Andy's case. Safin only won 5 Masters titles in his entire career. How many other top 10 players have won 4 Masters events in the past year? Nadal is the only other player who has achieved that. Since Cinci last year, Murray has won 9 tournaments. Again, Nadal is the only one who has won so many tournaments in that space of time. That, I believe, is more than the 6-10 group of players combined.

Outside of Murray, Nadal, and Federer, the rest of the top 10 have won exactly 2 Masters events between them. That means that Murray has doubled the number of Masters titles everyone else on tour has won in the past year, with the exception of Federer and Nadal.

So yes, her post was idiotic. Loving your attempted rescue act, though, AL.
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janscribe
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Quote from: AL1874 on November 13, 2009, 12:21 pm
I have other stuff to do and just drifted away and once that happens you lose touch with what is going on so it becomes a lot less interesting.

I still look in from time to time, but rarely can be bothered to add anything.

That's a shame. You obviously know a lot about tennis and the larger variety of people who contribute to a website, the more interesting it becomes. Come back soon.
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robbie
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Quote from: Mark on November 13, 2009, 01:15 pm
Does the fact Andy is so successful now have anything to do with it? It's nothing like the old days where you would get excited about every single match he would play because he was the underdog Smile
Very good point Mark...used to love when Andy was a underdog...checking on potential opponents....excited about every game....will he,wont he win.. when he won his first A.T.P. tournament,it was a fantastic feeling......His first Masters...fantastic...now i dont check on potential opponents...i expect Andy to win against the lesser lights......now its all about ,will he? wont he? win a grand slam" .....only when that happens will i get that same feeling when this journey first started.
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Mark
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Ah yes, that was an awesome feeling watching him win his first ATP title Very Happy
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robbie
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Quote from: Mark on November 13, 2009, 08:23 pm
Ah yes, that was an awesome feeling watching him win his first ATP title Very Happy
Another thing i miss Mark is ,i used to write down every opponent he was likely to meet during a competition......then go to the official A.T.P. web site and get all the information on them......that is now gone now .....SO....ANDY....the answer is...get losing again...dont any one say. he is. Very Happy
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