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« on: June 09, 2014, 11:00 am »
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Bring it Rafa
I love the way this talks about Nadal losing to Darcis last year and totally ignores the loss to Rosol the year before. Do they think people are really that thick?
If I remember rightly, Nadal was telling everyone his knees were fine before Wimbledon 2013, right up until Darcis knocked him out. I've heard of a relapse but that's ridiculous.
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« on: June 09, 2014, 12:17 pm »
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I have a curiosity about all this thing that Andy is Scottish and some English people don't support him (I read that some people at Queen's wish that he loose). If James Ward (English) would be better ranked and played in the main tournsments, Scottish people would support him? Because from abroad they are all of the same country to me, they play in the Davis Cup together so I think everybody in Great Britain should support both of them, except for personal aversions (for example Fognini is hated by half of the Italians because of his temperament).
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« on: June 09, 2014, 01:11 pm »
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That article about the saltire waving by Alex Salmond is so bad and lazy bit of journalism which will now be sensationalised to make Andy sound like he's betraying his roots - everybody can see how much his Scottish roots mean to him which was evident when he returned home to recieve the freedom of Sitrling. He is a very proud scot but also a sporting ambassador for British tennis and with that comes a responsiblity to act professionally which he does. The infacmous "Anyone but England" line has been dragged up more often than a saturday night curry and 20 pints!!!
I actually think there will be no decision to be made re. Team Scotland and Team GB as as a nation we are not overflowing with tennis talent so makes more sense to stay together for that. I am a fervent independence supporter and have a huge admiration for Salmond as a politician as he is very clever and astutue but he does come across as a bit of an ego maniac and his stunt at Wimbledon was a wee bit tacky!!! (By the way he got round the rules for the size of banner etc. by his wife having the folded up saltire in her handbag - there was an article about it in the press shortly after)
It's ridiculous to ask Andy about the independence referendum anyway because he does not qualify for a vote as he is not registered as living in Scotland.
I don't understand the need to have celebreties stating their opinion and anyone whose vote was swayed by the strength of a celebrity should have their vote struck off !!!
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« on: June 09, 2014, 02:38 pm »
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I have a curiosity about all this thing that Andy is Scottish and some English people don't support him (I read that some people at Queen's wish that he loose). If James Ward (English) would be better ranked and played in the main tournsments, Scottish people would support him? Because from abroad they are all of the same country to me, they play in the Davis Cup together so I think everybody in Great Britain should support both of them, except for personal aversions (for example Fognini is hated by half of the Italians because of his temperament).
Gatto I could not even try to explain the lack of support for Andy but even some Scots dislike him, although I don't think they go as far as wishing him to lose. I have noticed from those I have met personally that they tend to read the very worst of our newspapers and believe what some journalist tells them rather than thinking for themselves. Other than that I have no explanation.
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« on: June 09, 2014, 05:04 pm »
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it is more common than sometimes supposed for players not to be especially liked in their home country e.g. for years Jimmy Connors was not liked by the USO fans. Hewitt has not always been liked by some in Australia.
Sometimes though the tide changes - Connors and Andy are good examples. Personally I think Andy always has been supported by most UK fans of the sport, but he has been dsliked by some of the silver spoon middle England types that turn up at Wimbledon to support Federer. But then look at the support he got at the Olympics when it was big sports fans in attendance - made the usual Wimbledon crowds look pathetic in comparison with their noise.
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« on: June 09, 2014, 05:09 pm »
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Gatto I could not even try to explain the lack of support for Andy but even some Scots dislike him, although I don't think they go as far as wishing him to lose. I have noticed from those I have met personally that they tend to read the very worst of our newspapers and believe what some journalist tells them rather than thinking for themselves. Other than that I have no explanation.
Did you not watch the Wimbledon final last year. The overwhelming support he got was amazing.
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« on: June 09, 2014, 05:17 pm »
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I do think in Andy's case the media has a lot to answer for, but so have tennis commentators and the like. Time and time again there have been moments where comms have gone on and on about Andy making so much as a peep, which gives the impression he's badly behaved, but then they've ignored far worse from others.
Andy's big issue has simply been that he isn't Tim Henman. Tim towed the line, said what he was expected to say, which worked for him. Andy has always been himself, take it or leave it, and there are people who just don't like that.
Personally I'm still moved by the support Andy got at the Olympics, but also at Wimbledon last year. Listening to that crowd at the Wimbledon final chanting Andy's name still gives me a tingle. I hope the crowd will support Andy this year and won't dismiss him based on his form since the surgery. Andy's well on the way back now, at least in my mind. A good Queen's, preferably a win, would set him up nicely. Then, my feeling is that if Andy can get to the quarter finals at Wimbledon in good nick, fit and with plenty in the tank, he'll have as much chance as anyone, and more than most.
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« on: June 09, 2014, 05:48 pm »
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I only know about fellow Scots who profess to dislike Andy and they are in the main Fed fans. They tend only to watch Wimbledon and know not a lot about the game. When I ask them who Fed or Djoko or Rafa beat to win their first slam they are flummoxed.
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« on: June 09, 2014, 05:49 pm »
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Did you not watch the Wimbledon final last year. The overwhelming support he got was amazing.
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« on: June 09, 2014, 07:00 pm »
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I just wonder if Wimbledon is missing a bit of a trick here over this issue of the saltire. For a start aren't there supposed to be rules about the size of flags, banners etc at Wimbledon? Maybe a steward should have gone and tapped Salmond on the shoulder and told him to put it away. I'd go as far as to suggest that maybe politicians should be prevented from attending these sports events. Some of them, Cameron included, can't resist using other people's efforts to push their own agenda, and it's not right.
I thought that did happen. I seem to recall complaints being made that it was 'anti-Scottish' and only because it was the Saltire. Nothing to do with the long-standing rules that everyone else was expected to comply with. I remember Mo Farah also got told off for breaking the rules (no tweeting photos from Centre Court), and people just laughed at them being jobsworths. No-one said they were racist etc.
Can you imagine if Nole won and the Serbian president had got out a huge Serbian flag and he and his wife started to wave it triumphantly?
And let's face it, Cameron got plenty of criticism for attempting to share the glory of the Olympians by turning up to every potential gold winning moment over the first few days, which invariably didn't materialise. We didn't seem to start winning until he went to some international meetings! Thankfully, before the tennis medal matches.
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« on: June 09, 2014, 07:07 pm »
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Salmond was an embarrassment at Wimbledon, and every one of my countrymen I've spoken to about that agrees. For me, it just underlined his inbuilt prejudice. I'm by no means a fan of David Cameron on a political level, but as a human being, you could see he was just about beside himself towards the end, and lost in the match - not waving some political flag. Have to say, I warmed to him for that.
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« on: June 09, 2014, 07:14 pm »
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I agree Elly. I cannot emphasise how much I hate Cameron for many things, but he is a big tennis fan, and someone who plays fairly regularly, and I think he managed to behave like a tennis fan that day, not a campaigner.
Regarding the Davis Cup team decision. I think it's part because there's a fair chance we'd stick with a single British Davis Cup team (as Ireland is a single rugby team), but perhaps more importantly, Andy doesn't want any idiots deciding to vote based on some imagined glory of the Scottish Davis Cup team thrashing the English. It really shouldn't matter, and if Andy had answered, it would have suggested it does.
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« on: June 09, 2014, 07:18 pm »
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I also don't know of anyone who thought Salmond's action at Wimbledon was appropriate. It was embarrassing for Andy and for Scotland.
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« on: June 09, 2014, 07:21 pm »
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Without Dan and Wardy winning those matches while Andy was absent. We would not of been in the world group. It's was team effort. Would be a shame to break up a successful team.
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« on: June 09, 2014, 07:22 pm »
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Good point Rob. While some cyber-warriers are claiming Andy's "refusal" to play for Scotland means he's letting 'his people' down, and sucking up to the landed gentry, they forget that Andy is good friends with his Davis Cup team-mates - even the English ones! And not all tennis players are landed gentry, not even the English ones!
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