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Murray in 3 - 7 (19.4%)
Murray in 4 - 19 (52.8%)
Murray in 5 - 5 (13.9%)
Djokovic in 3 - 2 (5.6%)
Djokovic in 4 - 2 (5.6%)
Djokovic in 5 - 1 (2.8%)
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Roland Garros Final: Andy Murray vs Novak Djokovic
MuzzaFan10
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Does anyone else on MW think Andy has privately had conversations with his team about Novak possibly being on PEDs? Also, I recall that Andy actually said in an interview a while back that some players on the tour don't seem to get tired in long matches. I don't think it takes a genius to think he was probably considers Novak as being one of those players. He obviously can't (and shouldn't) say that publicly but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Andy thinks it in private.
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Fiverings
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No. That's the responsibility of other people. They all submit to the same assessment regime.
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althusser
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Quote from: MuzzaFan10 on June 10, 2016, 12:20 am
Does anyone else on MW think Andy has privately had conversations with his team about Novak possibly being on PEDs? Also, I recall that Andy actually said in an interview a while back that some players on the tour don't seem to get tired in long matches. I don't think it takes a genius to think he was probably considers Novak as being one of those players. He obviously can't (and shouldn't) say that publicly but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Andy thinks it in private.
To me it would be surprising if he had not vocalised the possibility of at least one or two major rivals taking PEDS. Whether he'd say this to his team or others i don't know.

Even if he on balance thought they were clean, he is surely going to entertain the possibility. PED use is a widespread reality in many sports - how affected tennis is we don't know, but we have already had a recent mens slam winner done under doping rules (Cillic).

Andy has certainly taken a close interest in the Armstrong case. It must be a dark fear that he may have been cheated out of many big titles.

Lets hope not. But though Sharapova has been caught, her case shows how difficult it could likely be to catch other cheaters. She was caught by a bit of a fluke, great carelessness. Her team didn't even know about what she was taking, and I'd assume other cheaters would protect themselves against whitleblowers as far as possible.
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waverlybear
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Thought you might like to read this comparison between Djokovic and Murray.  It's taken from an article in this week's Spectator magazine.  Roger Alton talks about the pain of  Murray coming off second best again to Djokovic.  "Poor Murray wasn't serving so well in the French tennis final, but he is still arguably the more versatile  and interesting player:  the angst-laden jazz saxophonist to Djokovic's consummate concert pianist, whose finger placements are never more than a millimetre out."  He then goes on to say that being the world's second best tennis player is a lot harder than say the world's second best footballer.   It doesn't  seem to be on line, but I think they put articles online once the next issue is published.
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matchpoint
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^ Is this the article, waverlybear?
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/andy-murray-and-the-endless-pain-of-being-second-best/
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waverlybear
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Quote from: matchpoint on June 10, 2016, 10:32 am
^ Is this the article, waverlybear?
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/andy-murray-and-the-endless-pain-of-being-second-best/

That's it match point.  Thanks.  Just call me queen of the Luddites!
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Ruthie
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love the analogy you quoted wb - and here's to the luddites!
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Aileen
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Quote from: matchpoint on June 10, 2016, 10:32 am
^ Is this the article, waverlybear?
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/andy-murray-and-the-endless-pain-of-being-second-best/
Good article ... but Djokovic "immense charm, impeccable manners"?  I must be missing something here, unless of course he's like this off-court.
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BigNose
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If only that line judge had been slower to react as Joker's racquet flew towards him!
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Aileen
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Quote from: BigNose on June 10, 2016, 08:33 pm
If only that line judge had been slower to react as Joker's racquet flew towards him!
But would the umpire have then done what she had every right to do, which would have been to disqualify him from the tournament, given what he's got away with in the past with impunity?
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tamila
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If he had injured the line judge surely they would have had to deal with it as they did with Nalbandian at Queens or there would have been an outcry from all especially if the line judge was French.  I think he should have received some kind of penalty especially as he admitted how lucky he was.
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Fiverings
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Quote from: tamila on June 11, 2016, 06:06 am
If he had injured the line judge surely they would have had to deal with it as they did with Nalbandian at Queens or there would have been an outcry from all especially if the line judge was French.  I think he should have received some kind of penalty especially as he admitted how lucky he was.
One of the comms said at the time that the chair umpire, who i think was a woman ( I didn't watch the match) would have applied the law without hesitation, being renowned as a fearless official with a track record of handling difficult decisions authoritatively.
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amongsttheleaves
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Quote from: Fiverings on June 11, 2016, 09:52 am
One of the comms said at the time that the chair umpire, who i think was a woman ( I didn't watch the match) would have applied the law without hesitation, being renowned as a fearless official with a track record of handling difficult decisions authoritatively.

If memory serves then I believe the umpire for that match was Eva Asderaki-Moore. My opinion is she is hands down the best umpire on either tour. While I believe that she wouldn't hesitate to DQ a player in that situation, I think the final descion would be with the tournament referee.

At RG, had it come to it I think they would have had whoever was the court supervisor, Stefan Fransson the tournament referee, and Guy Forget down on court but it would have rested with Fransson after conferring with umpire, line judge in question and the players.
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Aileen
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Quote from: amongsttheleaves on June 11, 2016, 05:33 pm
If memory serves then I believe the umpire for that match was Eva Asderaki-Moore. My opinion is she is hands down the best umpire on either tour. While I believe that she wouldn't hesitate to DQ a player in that situation, I think the final descion would be with the tournament referee.

At RG, had it come to it I think they would have had whoever was the court supervisor, Stefan Fransson the tournament referee, and Guy Forget down on court but it would have rested with Fransson after conferring with umpire, line judge in question and the players.
Yes it was Eva, but I can well understand that disqualifying a player, particularly a player of Novak's standing, would have been too serious a decision for any umpire to make on his/her own.
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