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Murray in 3 - 11 (23.4%)
Murray in 4 - 28 (59.6%)
Murray in 5 - 6 (12.8%)
Raonic in 3 - 0 (0%)
Raonic in 4 - 0 (0%)
Raonic in 5 - 1 (2.1%)
After media hype over coaching reaches previously unknown levels the All England Club decide the final will be Lendl vs McEnroe on Court 18 - 1 (2.1%)
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Wimbledon 2016 Final: Andy Murray vs Milos Raonic

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Andy Murray has reached his third Wimbledon final - and his eleventh slam final, equalling Edberg, McEnroe and Wilander, and overtaking Fred Perry's record of ten - with a routine straight sets semi-final win over Tomas Berdych. A sign of his increased consistency over the last two year is that he is the only player this year to have reached the final of all the slams played so far. The final will be the rematch of the Queen's final four Sundays ago that opponent Milos Raonic expressed his desire for in his post-match runner's up speech on the 19th of June.

Raonic defeated Federer in five sets to reach his first slam final. Trailing two sets to one at the tail end of the fourth set, Federer 40-0 up on his own serve and a tiebreak beckoning, the Canadian looked out of ideas. Then Federer double faulted. Twice. At 40-30 Raonic played bravely and fought to break the Swiss man to take things into a decider which he won with booming serves and very little fuss. The win makes him the first Canadian man to reach a singles final at a slam.

Two years ago his compatriot Eugene Bouchard reached the Ladies' singles final and was drubbed by Petra Kvitova. Raonic will be hoping for a better result, but that has as much to do with the man on the other side of the net. Despite Andy's experience at this level this final is a 'first' for him as well. It is the first time he has entered a slam final ranked higher than his opponent, and the first time he has not faced Federer or Djokovic on the final Sunday. Andy will be hoping his experience counts, but it does bring with it a unique sort of pressure and one which he has not experienced before. But it is an opportunity not to be missed - he's never had a semi-final and final draw like this.

Raonic was forced to produce his very best tennis at crucial moments against Federer, he didn't always manage it, but on arguably the biggest point of the match he was inspired. Andy by contrast wasn't forced to play anywhere near his highest level, but played with enough creativity and focus to make Berdych look pedestrian after a while. The Czech man made some howling errors off his forehand, while Andy kept things tidy, hitting just nine unforced errors and fifteen forced errors.

Andy will be looking to peak at the right time. The big serving, big hitting, opponents he has faced in the second week can only help to prepare him for the fastest server in the tournament. Raonic has hit the fastest serve of the championships at 144mph, 137 aces, and also the most double faults with 28.

While his serve is a huge weapon Raonic has a tendency to hammer it down and go for broke, giving little credence to placement. Returners of Andy's quality usually find a way to pick off poorly placed serves and put pressure on the server, forcing poor serves and double faults. Andy's returning on break points has been a particular strength this tournament, with 100% of serves put back into play on break points, even if he has not always won the point it puts pressure on the server to hold.

Raonic has made a serious commitment to moving forward to the net, and it has been notable since the beginning of the year that his volleying and movement have improved, and that improvement has accelerated somewhat in the last few weeks on grass. For all the work Andy has done in the last two years on his net game and approach shots he has been slightly reticent in this regard, often hanging back in points when he could have come forward and ended the point. Against Raonic he will need to hit deep and take control of the net, while his passing and lobbing will need to be finely tuned.  

In the spring of 2014 Raonic had control of their head-to-head, leading 3-1 with Andy's sole win at that point coming at the US Open 2012. Since the World Tour Finals in 2014 Andy has dominated, with five wins in a row to take the lead 6-3. Some would argue that Raonic has been injured in some of those matches, but it should be noted the only one where he started the match injured was in Madrid 2015, after which he had foot surgery. Raonic seems to be another big hitter who Andy seems to have worked out, and as matches go on Raonic is another player who struggles to handle Andy's variety and defence. Andy has won their two slam meetings, but he knows how much the Canadian has improved, dropping opening sets - and tiebreaks in both matches - in their Australian Open semi-final and the Queen's final this year.

The match will be played on Sunday 10th July on Centre Court at 2pm. The weather is forecast to be dry when the match is scheduled to be played, but there is a chance of showers in the morning, before the cloud clears to make way for some sun in the afternoon, temperatures of around 21 degrees Celsius, a south-westerly wind of 15mph with gusts of up to 32mph, humidity is expected to be around 75% when the match begins but could drop to 57% depending how long the players detain each other on court.

[ Last edit by amongsttheleaves July 09, 2016, 11:48 pm ] IP Logged
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Desperately hope he can win. Would be well deserved after so many years of heartbreak in finals. If he does win no doubt there will be the haters who say it somehow doesn't count without having to play Djokovic or even Federer but who cares? They lost so they weren't the best players this time, he's won his side of the draw and you can only play who gets through from the other side. It's about time he got a chance to play someone other than those 2 in a final and it's taken 11 grand slam finals for that to happen. Didn't look like it was ever going to happen.

Not sure how I'm going to manage both this and the Euro final on Monday morning, possibly worth calling in sick to work.
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ATL,  Good intro but you fail to acknowledge that our Greg was also a Canadian (born and raised there at least even if he adopted British citizenship to play for us?) and I think played a US Open final?  I think he lost to Patrick Rafter close to the end of the last century?  My guess would be 1997. Did he not win Sports Personality of the Year as a result?
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ATL,  Good intro but you fail to acknowledge that our Greg was also a Canadian (born and raised there at least even if he adopted British citizenship to play for us?) and I think played a US Open final?  I think he lost to Patrick Rafter close to the end of the last century?  My guess would be 1997. Did he not win Sports Personality of the Year as a result?
Yes, there must have been a shortage of sports personalities in Britain that year!
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dex,

You must remember that his changing to playing for Britain a couple of years earlier was very contentious and it gave him a lot of coverage. To my mind very much in the style of Andy either loved or hated not always because of their tennis ability? He did do well too and it was not an Olympic year so less others in the limelight!
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ATL,  Good intro but you fail to acknowledge that our Greg was also a Canadian (born and raised there at least even if he adopted British citizenship to play for us?) and I think played a US Open final?  I think he lost to Patrick Rafter close to the end of the last century?  My guess would be 1997. Did he not win Sports Personality of the Year as a result?

But Greg was a British citizen when he reached that final and wasn't representing Canada. Raonic is a Canadian citizen representing Canada.

Thing is that if we're going to go down that road then I'd need another paragrph in the intro about how Raonic was born in part of the former Yugoslavia, now Montenegro, and is the second Canadian man to have reached the final of a slam after Daniel Nestor - who was also born in the former Yugoslavia, in the part that is now Serbia - who is a very successful doubles champion with eight slam titles in men's doubles, four in mixed, an Olympic gold medal, eighty-nine career titles.

I decided to focus on specifiying that he is the first Canadian man to reach a singles final at a slam, given the press seem incapable of doing this. Coverage has been appalling this year in that respect, whitewashing the achievements of the women totally privilaging the men's game. Reports are that Raonic is the first Canadian to reach a slam final. Which is not true, he is the first Canadian man to reach a slam singles final. I don't like Bouchard but her 2014 final apperance has been white-washed out it seems.

Seems that when men play it is 'tennis', when women play it is 'women's tennis' and one of the greatest players the game has ever seen is forced to justify in pressers if she should get paid so much for beating her semi-final opponent quickly. By the same logic should Andy get paid less than Raonic for dealing with his opponents more efficiently?

So if I short changed Greg R, I'm afraid I really don't care. I'm much more interested in the fact women's achievements at Wimbledon are being edited out.
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Thanks ATL for The interesting background info on Raonic and Hestor and Greg. You truly find all the leaves in the tree.  Raonic has done very well and deserves to be the first Canadian man to reach a GS single final.

Talking about change of nationality, one of my favourite ova named player - Barbara Zahlavova Strycova, when she changed nationality to Australian, it felt very odd.
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ATL,

You seem a little sensitive this morning.  I just thought that you might have mentioned Greg in the context of a Canadian (he still is, being born there) who did make a slam Mens' singles final.  

As everyone here may know I am not a great follower of Women's tennis so not much concerned over the rights and wrongs of the media 'editing out' their achievements. They are after all talking about the Mens' game. Women, in part, choose to have their own event and not compete with the Men but maybe it was worth mentioning Bouchard somewhere.  

Everyone now is jumbled by origins and which country they represent. In tennis players do not represent their country except at the Olympics (oops, forgot to include Davis and Federation Cups). I watched the European Athletics championship last night. I get mad with that as so many are not really Europeans. Turkey now have 'bought in' runners from around the world. I find that unacceptable as unlike most other sports they serve little or no time to gain selection. We have many with overseas origins but like Greg at least one parent was actually British! For that reason alone I tolerate it a little easier. Of those without obvious links Mo Farah (Somalia) has the least qualifications.

We all have different opinions with regard to pay and who is the GOAT in tennis. They were not relevant to whether we should consider Greg a Canadian. That is all.

I did like the intro a lot!  You are right that it would have got too lengthy if you had done a big piece including ALL Canadians in slam finals!
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Caz
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 ATL....Your 7th option on the poll made me laugh! Now there's a match I'd love to see!  Very Happy
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ATL....Your 7th option on the poll made me laugh! Now there's a match I'd love to see!  Very Happy

I was going to add that Lendl would refuse to play on court 18 and instead insist that things be decided at the 18th hole of the London Scottish Golf Club on Wimbledon Common. McEnroe's response would be...!

Would have made the option a bit too lengthy though.
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ATL

Now now. I like the Lendl Mac bit but you are stretching your justifications on length to extremes here although your wit and linkages are excellent (as always).
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Murray in 3.
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Connor,  We agree!  Andy in three for me too.
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Caz
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......and me! Andy in 3!
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Voted for Andy in 4. Fingers' crossed.  I really like option 7 for Lendl to do battle vs McEnroe. I would say let the winner onto court for extra coaching at the end of each set lol
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