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Gunman Kills 33 at US University
Tommy
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I know that. The speculation is so stupid.  That Bush or anyone might see this as an Islamic Terror attack is stupid and silly. From the look of Marks comment he seems to think Bush would find a way of linking it to Islamic Terror. Or Atlest the governement would find away.
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Neil
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Well that's just his opinion. He believe the Bush Administration is obsessed with the "War on Terror" and making anything a part of it is what they do. It;s hardly an uncalled for comment as to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me either that if something on his arm is part of Islam, that they might make it into a terrorist act. Ok so it;s highly unlikely, but like i say it's just an opnion related to the story.
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Tommy
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I will just say before I get off, If Mark feels I took his comment wrongly, sorry about that.

This was a terrible act. Civilian against Civilian. Nothing to do with any military. Thats all im saying.
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invisibleman18
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I'm sure Bush would like to find a way to link it to a terrorist attack. It would mean less pressure on him to make stricter gun laws, and give him an excuse to send more innocent people to their deaths in the middle east.
But that's a whole other issue not worth debating here.
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Tommy
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Yes. All people's ill feeling for Bush do not need to be debated in this mourning thread.
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Neil
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It;s not a mourning thread. It;s a thread for discussion on the topic and anything related to it.
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Tommy
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What I hate is 200 died today in Iraq and hardly anyone notices. But 33 die in America and the world stops.
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Mark
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Quote from: MurrayMountain91 on April 19, 2007, 12:40 am
I know that. The speculation is so stupid.  That Bush or anyone might see this as an Islamic Terror attack is stupid and silly. From the look of Marks comment he seems to think Bush would find a way of linking it to Islamic Terror. Or Atlest the governement would find away.
As Neil explained, it wasn't an opinion/statement but just a brief thought based on a report I read.

And even if I did mean it as a suggestion of Bush wanting to link it to terrorism, would that opinion honestly be that far fetched? Remember we went to war against Iraq based on fabricated intelligence saying it was involved in 9/11 but Iraq turned out to have nothing to do with terrorism against the US. That's for another thread anyway...
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Tommy
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Ok. Im sorry I took it as your opinion.
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Mark
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That's ok, apology accepted.
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American Twist
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(1) I am not sure what Dana meant, but I agree that for someone to commit this sort of act, it indicates a problem in the brain or some sort of physiological problem that goes beyond the explanation of psychology.  Otherwise, things like this would happen more often.  Aren't there lots of angry people with grudges walking the streets every day?  It would be interesting to know what exactly is going on inside this killers body, brain, and nervous system.  I have a strong suspicion that this killing and the killings like it (e.g. the Columbine shootings) are related to the consumption of SSRIs, and that in certain people with suicidal/homicidal inclinations the drugs actually break down the inhibition to commit these crimes. And my theory is that the rise in these sorts of incidences over the past 15 years or so exactly coincides with the rise in prescriptions of these medications to children and young adults in schools. 

(2) It is true that guns are very easy to come by in Virginia.  NRA-type people like to claim that gun ownership makes people safer because being armed protects you from being the victim of a violent crime.  But, obviously students and teachers aren't going to arm themselves to protect against being attacked.  I wish there had been some gun-toting yahoo carrying a concealed weapon around in one of those campus buildings to shoot back, but realistically that is not going to happen.  I wonder how this is going to affect the attitudes of Virginians towards gun control.

(3) It looks like the administration of Virginia Tech handled this poorly, but I don't blame them for misunderstanding the problem they were dealing with.  Blacksburg is a very peaceful and quiet area.  I think this was totally beyond their comprehension.  What should/can universities do to protect against this sort of thing form happening?  I would like to see some serious questions raised about the role of medication in these sorts of incidents.  That would really shake the trees of the pharmacuetical industry which is possibly the most powerful lobby in Washington and one of the world's biggest indusrties.
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ljsmall
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They had a single shooting on campus the first day of term apparently that was just that, a single shooting. They had no reason to believe that this instance was going to be any different. However, with a gunman still out there who has killed an innocent bystander that was just helping the girl he was really out to get they should probably have closed campus till they found him.
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Quackers
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Oh god.  I just read on the BBC website that he sent a final video to an American TV station.  This is gonna be one hell of an understatement but what a f**king psycho!!
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invisibleman18
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Yeah I saw some of the videos on the news this evening. That's what he was doing during the 2 hour gap, finalising and sending the package. Took loads of photos of himself with the guns, and made a dvd and wrote a load of boll**ks and sent it to NBC.
They showed parts of the video on the news. He even compared himself to Jesus Christ FFS. All bulls**t like "you **** rich kids, your trust funds were not enough, your flash cars were not enough.......you had 11 billion chances to stop this happening but you failed.........you have crucified me like Jesus Christ."

1 obvious line of investigation being taken is was there someone helping him take the photos and video? Looks likely there was a cameraman.
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Mark
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I don't think any normal person could do this sort of terrible act so yeah, he probably had severe mental issues and he needed to be treated.
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