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The future of British politics

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I think Keir Starmer will be the next Labour leader. Long-Bailey is too much like Corbin. Nandy is too anti-Scottish. She has made her views very clear that she would not support another vote on Scottish independence. She has apparently forgotten that the Scottish Labour party still exists she tends to think they don't.

That still appears to be a major problem with all the UK parties (England) they think they speak for Scotland they
don't they seem to forget that the Scottish people still have some say in the matter which she seems to have forgoten.

I suppose it does not really matter who it is as we have the idiot Boris in charge and he only seems interested in himself as he has been missing from parliament frequently and has ignored all these poor people whose homes have been flooded. He couldn't give a shit for those poor people whose homes have been flooded.
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Well done Keir Starmer, I'm happy for you! Smile
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I'm not a Labour supporter but I just hope that he can do something to heal the divisions within the party and also get rid of its anti-Semitic tag.
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This is Keir Starmer's acceptance  speech, he sounds positive, well I suppose he would sound positive but anyway ...

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^ Thanks moonglow.  I've only just got round to listening to this!   He certainly inspires considerably more confidence than Corbyn ever did and Brown and Blair before him.  However, the proof of the pudding etc ....



Meanwhile the idea of a virtual parliament is going ahead despite concerns about the security of the US-made Zoom system, but whatever its faults, we simply cannot leave the country for weeks (or months if you believe the doom and gloomers) on end without some sort of visible governance -

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/16/slimmed-down-virtual-house-of-commons-to-sit-next-week
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^  Interesting!

I think Zoom's ok but you have to keep up with your privacy settings, but I don't know much about Zoom ...

Apparently Keir Starmer Zoomed with 8000 Labour members yesterday - that must have been a lot of fun Smile

Sorry it was the 15th when they Zoomed, not yesterday
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^ A friend of a friend wanted me to join him in Zoom but as it seems to be a bit like Facebook I flatly refused.
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John Crace re Keir Starmer

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/20/this-time-boris-is-better-prepared-but-the-qc-still-gets-under-his-skin-pmqs-john-crace
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Glad to see Keir Starmer is keeping Boris on his toes by challenging him at every opportunity that is what is required

It is apparent that the PM is a lightweight when it comes to facts and figures he seems to make them up as he goes along.

Also, he seems to be avoiding his appearance in parliament and on TV at every opportunity. He is gutless and wants to avoid being challenged on the facts. The quicker he goes the better he is not the man to lead the country out of this emergency.
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Glad to see Keir Starmer is keeping Boris on his toes by challenging him at every opportunity that is what is required

It is apparent that the PM is a lightweight when it comes to facts and figures he seems to make them up as he goes along.


Not sure if you have that second statement quite right.  He was badly briefed on the £900m figures for the value of contributions from overseas NHS workers but Sir Kier was unable to make the appropriate correction either! Earlier the labour leader misunderstood the 10,000 extra deaths in care homes that was already explained quite easily (as had Boris). I do like Sir Keir's approach to challenging the Government actions but please do not make more of people's limitations than is appropriate.  They all have gaps in knowledge.

What you probably agree with me is that, with hindsight, mistakes are being made. The biggest at present is that the squabble with the teachers (most with unions) has not been diffused by a simple logical action. We have the five conditions set out before schools can re-open. Just make it conditional that the necessary physical changes can be made in specific schools by making the final decision on re-opening that of the Head who has to arrange them all. I think more will open with this sort of direction as it becomes a challenge?
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He was badly briefed

You have evidence for that? Who briefed him? Who wrote the briefing reports? What were they errors in the data?

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The biggest at present is that the squabble with the teachers (most with unions) has not been diffused by a simple logical action.

Squabble?

For someone who claimed on the coronavirus thread that the government do understand the importance of language, refering to this as a 'squabble' is quite a failing from you.

The teachers' unions are among of the most well-respected, well-organised and strongest unions, the actions of the unions are well supported by union members. I don't know a single teacher who doesn't support their union's current position on the government's plan to reopen schools, and the unions are maintaining this position because that is what the membership wants - the unions are not, as the likes of the Telegraph and Mail would have you belive, preventing teachers from returning to school settings if they wish. They are protecting their membership. It is completely disingenuous for the press to suggest otherwise.

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We have the five conditions set out before schools can re-open. Just make it conditional that the necessary physical changes can be made in specific schools by making the final decision on re-opening that of the Head who has to arrange them all. I think more will open with this sort of direction as it becomes a challenge?

Actually, the current guidelines are that the final descion to reopen a given school does lie with the Head of School. This is not with out significant issues. Not least that Heads are rarely experts in public health and safety, and state schools are almost always space-poor.

Guidelines do not insist upon social distancing, instead asks schools to do it 'where possible'. Schools have been given no additional funding to ensure that they have enough teaching materials so that pupils do not have to share, or to increase/improve hygiene facitilites.

Boris Johnson, Gavin Willimson, Michael Gove etc claim the government is 'mirroring' Denmark in its approach to reopening schools in England, when we simply cannot draw those comparisions. Denmark's infection and death rate per million is significantly lower than the UK's. Denmark currently has less than 150 people in hospital with Covid-19, the UK has around 9000. In Denmark local authority health and safety experts approve and sign off on a school's individual plans for reopening.

Oh, and of course amongst those children in England who will be returning to school aged 4/5 when children in Denmark don't go to school until they are 6/7...

The government likes to draw international comparisions when it suits them, but when others do it they are quick to deflect it with claims that it isn't appropriate to draw such comparisions... More appropriate to compare the UK with Italy who are not reopening schools until September. France reopened schools and is now having to close 70-odd schools again because of Covid-19 outbreaks.
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Thanks moonglow.  I enjoyed reading that. Smile


Not sure if you have that second statement quite right.  He was badly briefed on the £900m figures for the value of contributions from overseas NHS workers but Sir Kier was unable to make the appropriate correction either! Earlier the labour leader misunderstood the 10,000 extra deaths in care homes that was already explained quite easily (as had Boris). I do like Sir Keir's approach to challenging the Government actions but please do not make more of people's limitations than is appropriate.  They all have gaps in knowledge.
Except that Boris seems to have more gaps generally than most, starting with his command of the English language, given that he seems incapable of stringing a coherent sentence together, and inspires no confidence whatsoever.  I'm just very grateful that we have a strong FM in charge of Scotland, something even many of her detractors have admitted.  She certainly did the right thing in not following the same road as Westminster when it comes to relaxing some of the lockdown restrictions.  Yes I know, smaller country, much smaller population, therefore probably easier to deal with, but a lot still depends on the person leading it.
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I'm just very grateful that we have a strong FM in charge of Scotland, something even many of her detractors have admitted.  She certainly did the right thing in not following the same road as Westminster when it comes to relaxing some of the lockdown restrictions.  Yes I know, smaller country, much smaller population, therefore probably easier to deal with, but a lot still depends on the person leading it.

Sturgeon has mirrored what England has done, just in this case with a delay of a couple of weeks. Easy when someone else is paying for it of course. Remains to be seen if the delay is a good thing or not - it doesn't seem to be guided by any science in particular.
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Sturgeon has mirrored what England has done, just in this case with a delay of a couple of weeks. Easy when someone else is paying for it of course. Remains to be seen if the delay is a good thing or not - it doesn't seem to be guided by any science in particular.
I thought it was guided by the fact that the number of deaths in Scotland had dropped for the third consecutive week, which makes sense to me, and I don't see what difference two weeks makes anyway.  Also I could be wrong, but Boris seems to be focusing more on kick-starting the economy than in saving people's lives.
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I thought it was guided by the fact that the number of deaths in Scotland had dropped for the third consecutive week, which makes sense to me, and I don't see what difference two weeks makes anyway.  Also I could be wrong, but Boris seems to be focusing more on kick-starting the economy than in saving people's lives.

Deaths have been dropping since the 8th of April, so it can't be that.

I think you're wrong about Boris as well - he's moving much more slowly than many in his party want. And we do have to acknowledge that there's a non-zero cost in life to keeping the economy on ice.

My read on the situation is that the devolved administrations are doing this simply because they can, rather than for any good scientific or medical reason.
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