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The future of British politics
laundry
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There is the other side of the coin though.

Rather than restoring Party unity a lot of MPs will probably want to try and restore Party morality instead. Installing a previous PM ousted due to illegal activities doesn't exactly give off that message.

The question is: Can Rishi now defeat Penny from the Block in a membership h2h? If so there may well be more tactical voting to keep Boris out and some Rishi voters tactically giving their vote to Mordaunt instead. Tactical voting will likely be more permissable and socially acceptable within PMs this time given what Boris has done. Boris supporters can hardly call foul play and bad ethics given Boris's own dubious morality as PM.

Rishi will still obviously be the main want for a majority of the Tory MPs. The main question may become how to get around the membership vote to get him in somehow.
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althusser
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Quote from: laundry on October 21, 2022, 12:28 pm

 If so there may well be more tactical voting to keep Boris out and some Rishi voters tactically giving their vote to Mordaunt instead. Tactical voting will likely be more permissable and socially acceptable within PMs this time given what Boris has done. Boris supporters can hardly call foul play and bad ethics given Boris's own dubious morality as PM.

Rishi will still obviously be the main want for a majority of the Tory MPs. The main question may become how to get around the membership vote to get him in somehow.

Right, and unless they do something tactical along those lines then it looks like Boris is back.
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Tonedial
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Aileen
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^ I enjoyed that!
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moonglow
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^  I liked it too!  Thanks Tonedial.
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ChrisMac
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The Tory's as usual putting themselves first, want Boris he is good for their party, keep them all in power.  Boris is not good for the people. All those people who had loved ones die during lockdown and could not see they're family etc is just unforgivable in my books. people have short memories, we need a general election and see what the people want not what the tory party want.
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Aileen
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According to a YouGov poll -



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boogers
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Quote from: ChrisMac on October 21, 2022, 08:41 am
^ Yes it would be stupid, but if they stay for another 2 years everyone except the wealthy will be on the streets, homeless and starving.

lol. I'm not claiming that the Tories are anything other than monumentally shit, but what do you expect any other party to do? The global macroeconomic maelstrom isn't going away just because another party is elected.
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laundry
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Country needs a nice old recession unfortunately. But no party gonna advocate for it.

High tax, low spending.

No other way out. Take the hit and rebuild.

The markets need confidence again, this is the only way to gain it. But a stable leadership would also be fking handy. Why a change to Labour would likely be good irrespective of their economic policies. Starmer with a high majority would be stable and boring. Labour would probably spend way too much and may hurt some sectors of investment but at least the markets would know what's happening much better which is a priority right now. Of course there's not going to be an election any time soon so might not be as bad and useful at the point it actually happens.
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laundry
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I don't actually understand why Rishi is such a huge favourite in the betting odds?

Does he actually have yet any winning h2h in a vote with the Tory membership??

In any case I've put a sizeable bet against him because the odds seem crazy to me.
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althusser
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It is a bit strange - there was some talk of a deal, but there is no chance Johnson will stand aside if he has a realistic chance becoming PM again. And only a complete idiot would trust him to keep his word on anything.
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boogers
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Johnson appears to be struggling to get to 100. If he doesn't, Sunak is PM by default. I guess that's why the odds are in Sunaks favour.
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laundry
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Looks like a load of MPs are waiting to see who's actually running. If Boris can get backing and gets to the h2h he's surely a shoe-in. If Boris can't get backing then a number of them will surely go to Maurdaunt's camp or someone else even will run?

Someone other than Rishi is surely going to get over 100 in backing because there will be many wanting someone other than Rishi to take the job - they're not just oging to let him run unchallenged. Maurdaunt got plenty of votes last time even. And what has really changed in 2 months to make her any less viable to Party members? Or any less someone the membership will back over Rishi?

Ok Rishi will look better now after directly calling out Liz over her economic plans and being the face of opposition against her. But is that enough to sway that many MPs and Tory members?

Rishi may well be some sort of favourite but I can't see why at the odds he's currently at. Once he's actually challenged and another member poll comes through I'm expecting it to change.
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althusser
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Boris out, thank God.

His claims to have 100 votes turned out to be bs - how incredibly out of character Smile.
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Aileen
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^ I've read two reports which say he got 54 votes, something I'd say is much nearer the truth!
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