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The future of British politics

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Margaret Hodge and Anne Coffey have submitted a no confidence motion in Corbyn. The PLP have to decide whether this motion will be voted on at the Tuesday night meeting.
His position is surely untenable.

Conspicously failed to put his heart into the campaign. Vote then narrowly lost with Labour voters flocking to Leave. Out the EU, union likely done, hard right ascendant. If that isn't failure, what is?
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Do you really think it would have made that much difference had he fallen in line with the kind of dreadful campaign waged by the remain camp?   Arguably, by acknowledging his criticisms of the EU, he was more likely to get a hearing from sceptical Labour voters.  He may have been a bit slow in getting going but towards the end he was all over the country putting the case.  Did we hear that much more about what Alan Johnson was saying?  The fact is the media were much more interested in the blue on blue battles.  I'm not saying he was brilliant or anything but I don't think it's fair to blame him for it.  The rot with working class Labour voters started long long before he became leader.
As for the result,  I just feel numb.  And full of dread as to what will happen after a campaign that has been so divisive in so many ways, especially  encouraging xenophobia.
And please no not Chris Grayling - he is absolutely, horribly nasty.

For anyone interested, here is an attempt to think about what it means and how we can start trying to build a better politics
http://www.compassonline.org.uk/brexit-silver-linings-playbook/
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 ^        Whichever nasty wins will have to put Farage back in his box.
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Do you really think it would have made that much difference had he fallen in line with the kind of dreadful campaign waged by the remain camp?   Arguably, by acknowledging his criticisms of the EU, he was more likely to get a hearing from sceptical Labour voters.  He may have been a bit slow in getting going but towards the end he was all over the country putting the case.  Did we hear that much more about what Alan Johnson was saying?  The fact is the media were much more interested in the blue on blue battles.  I'm not saying he was brilliant or anything but I don't think it's fair to blame him for it.  The rot with working class Labour voters started long long before he became leader.

He acted like a petulant child throughout the entire campaign. The rot with working class Labour voters has accelerated since Corbyn came to power. To survive, the Labour party has to find a way of compromising between the traditional small-c conservative Labour base and the Momentum Islington fringe represented by Corbyn and McDonnell. Corbyn's refusal to share a platform with the rest of the remain campaign, and refusal to acknowledge the very real fears working class Labour voters have over immigration did us all a disservice.

Corbyn operates in an echo chamber. His last campaign event was in a bloody Waitrose in Islington next to the Guardian. He should have been out canvassing in a council estate in the North East.

For the sake of your party Ruthie, do what is right: side with the rest of the PLP and pull the goddamn trigger.
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Do you really think it would have made that much difference had he fallen in line with the kind of dreadful campaign waged by the remain camp?   Arguably, by acknowledging his criticisms of the EU, he was more likely to get a hearing from sceptical Labour voters.  He may have been a bit slow in getting going but towards the end he was all over the country putting the case.  
As for the result,  I just feel numb.  And full of dread as to what will happen after a campaign that has been so divisive in so many ways, especially  encouraging xenophobia.

Well it was always going to be a tough challenge, as so much of the labour base was already for Leave.

But i think that just as Cameron fell on his sword, Corbyn has to. The stakes were incredibly high, not just for the EU but the Uk union. Not to mention the rightwing coup in the Tory party which was always a big part of matters.

He had to try pull out every stop to prevent this, just a small portion more of labour voters could have saved things. But he didn't.

Corbyn earned the right to give the leadership a good go - but now people have to wake up to the fact they are going nowhere with him now, in my view.
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Good.

Don't laugh but I have come round to agreeing with you. Brexit has done it for me. He has been an utter, futile, ineffective numpty. The Labour Party lost the North of England as they did Scotland, through arrogance and neglect.
 Had such high hopes too, feel very sad..
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Good.

That man only cares about his own principles and the pride of upholding them at the expense of everyone else. Get him outta here! OUT OUT OUT!
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Don't laugh but I have come round to agreeing with you. Brexit has done it for me. He has been an utter, futile, ineffective numpty. The Labour Party lost the North of England as they did Scotland, through arrogance and neglect.
 Had such high hopes too, feel very sad..

Oh, I'm not laughing. It was kind of funny when it was just electoral polls and the odd council election and the assumption that he'd pratt around and be replaced before the next election. But now his ineptitude has caused real and lasting damage.
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Well first all, let's get the xenophobic, racist and Islamophobic labels out there now in one go so we can move ahead with a measured, open and respectful discussion.


Thank you for posting that Mark because I don't think anyone wants to see this thread going down the same path as the EU one.
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/a-pyrrhic-victory-boris-johnson-wakes-up-to-the-costs-of-brexit

Someone suggesting Boris isn't altogether a happy chappy.
"Now look what you made me do!" Lol
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Gove and Boris did not look happy at their press conference this morning. A definite air of "oh, ****, we did it... we're screwed" about it.
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/a-pyrrhic-victory-boris-johnson-wakes-up-to-the-costs-of-brexit

Someone suggesting Boris isn't altogether a happy chappy.
"Now look what you made me do!" Lol
He's an utter buffoon.  Like most of the leave campaign they have no fecking clue what to do now.  Magic!   If it weren't so utterly sad, it'd be laughable.
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Thank you for posting that Mark because I don't think anyone wants to see this thread going down the same path as the EU one.
I actually place some blame for the Leave win at the hands of those that liberally shouted "racist" and" xenophobe" at anyone with immigration fears. What that presumably caused were people continuing to hold those views but not airing them publicly and thus having the opportunity to hear a respectful and thoughtful counter argument from their friends and colleagues. Free speech is an incredible thing for a reason and chilling free speech through labelism gets you this.

If this referendum hasn't made people realise this, then a Trump presidency will.
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I actually place some blame for the Leave win at the hands of those that liberally shouted racist and xenophobe at anyone with immigration concerns. What that no doubt caused were people who still had concerns but were afraid to air them. And what does that cause? It prevents the opportunity for a respectful counter-argument to potentially alter their view. Free speech is an incredible thing for a reason and chilling free speech through labelism gets you this.
Sorry - but I think that's utter nonsense.  Nigel Farage was the one who lit that flame with his 'poster'.  Really respectful stuff coming from someone who should know better.
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Sorry - but I think that's utter nonsense.  Nigel Farage was the one who lit that flame with his 'poster'.  Really respectful stuff coming from someone who should know better.
What has Farage got to do with my point? If he wasn't involved in this campaign the Leave vote would have probably been greater - he was an utter turn off to the moderate Leave voters.
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