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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 29, 2017, 10:08 pm »
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Quote from: Yamor on June 29, 2017, 07:04 pm
The PM has a constitutional duty to stay in power until a replacement can be appointed (like Gordon Brown did in 2010).
So, if May should have had the 'integrity' to resign, you would have to consider one of the following to be morally superior:
1) Prime Minister Corbyn
2) A new Conservative Prime Minister
3) A new election
As the people rejected me and didn't endorse Corbyn, sorry folks it's "not another one" time.
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 29, 2017, 10:24 pm »
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What is it with TV journalists barking 'questions' at politicians across the street?
Its kind of hilarious - you hear their voice over played some serious report, then May/Corbyn come out of building and they scream 'DO YOU FEEL A USELESS TWAT TODAY?' - I mean do they really expect a response??!
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 30, 2017, 12:44 am »
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As the people rejected me and didn't endorse Corbyn, sorry folks it's "not another one" time.
So you believe a party not winning an absolute majority when previously having had one have been rejected and should resign?
What about the SNP in Holyrood?
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 30, 2017, 12:52 am »
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Quote from: Aileen on June 29, 2017, 09:56 pm
I go along with all of that LB, and her calling an unnecessary GE primarily to boost up her own authority showed a complete lack of judgement, and now that that's backfired she's compounding this by forming what I see as a rather dubious alliance, even if it isn't that in the true sense of the word. In fact she's so incompetent I wonder what she'll cock up next, particularly with the Brexit negotiations.
Calling the election wasn't the problem, the campaign was. The most you could say is she should have realised what a bad campaigner she was, and therefore shouldn't have called it!
Whatever her personal reasons were, there definitely were sound political reasons to hold the election. There will be many controversial votes in parliament in the next couple of years, and her majority was very small. She was also beholden to the wackier members of her party. The problem, again, was in the campaign, not the calling of the election.
If another election isn't happening, what do you think she should have done now? Considering the importance of the Brexit negotiations, it was crucial to get support for votes in that area, as well of course, as support for supply and confidence votes.
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 30, 2017, 06:25 am »
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A welcome move, but I can't see the DUP being at all happy with this, although it's time the N Ireland govt got itself into the 21st century and cut out this ridiculous prejudice.
http://news.sky.com/story/government-to-fund-abortions-for-northern-ireland-women-in-england-10931223
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 30, 2017, 08:14 am »
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So you believe a party not winning an absolute majority when previously having had one have been rejected and should resign?
What about the SNP in Holyrood?
Well remember that Westmister has a majoritarian electoral system, Holyrood's is designed to be broadly proportional.
Plus the Scottish Parliament has fixed terms, whereas May tore up the logic of the Tories own constitutional reform - fixed term parliaments - in order to supposedly get the big majority she said was needed to bring stability. To have then failed and brought less stability, well...
So, constitutionally she has every right to stay, but otherwise its a bit dubious - like a gambler refusing to pay up for their debt.
Though politically speaking I'm content for her to hang on . Ironically perhaps Corbyn can be her inspiration - unwanted leader hangs on before spectacular turnaround....
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 30, 2017, 09:02 am »
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How he can support the Tories when he professes to be a Liberal.
Methinks you don't have a clear idea on what a Liberal is.
It's not someone on the left hand side of the political spectrum, nor on the right really.
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 30, 2017, 09:12 am »
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Methinks you don't have a clear idea on what a Liberal is.
It's not someone on the left hand side of the political spectrum, nor on the right really.
Perhaps more that they could be on any side, or the middle, of that spectrum as liberalism itself is dominant across the parties.
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 30, 2017, 09:33 am »
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Quote from: Yamor on June 30, 2017, 12:44 am
So you believe a party not winning an absolute majority when previously having had one have been rejected and should resign?
What about the SNP in Holyrood?
I see Alt has put you right so that saves me the bother. A friendly warning though. Watch out for Joe - he doesn't like whataboutery.
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 30, 2017, 09:55 am »
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I think you misunderstand where I'm coming from. I genuinely want to understand your position. So please don't be condescending.
Whataboutery is where you defend your position by saying "but what about...". I'm not trying to defend anything/anyone.
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 30, 2017, 10:02 am »
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whereas May tore up the Tories own constitutional reform
This would only be true if they had repealed the FTPA. They didn't, instead exercising the ability to call a new election by passing a vote in favour. FTPA remains in force, and will ironically give some stability to the new minority government.
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 30, 2017, 10:11 am »
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This would only be true if they had repealed the FTPA. They didn't
Well yeh i was speaking a bit metaphorically. The Act stays, even as they broke with the logic of it and went against what May had said up to that point
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 30, 2017, 10:21 am »
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I see Alt has put you right so that saves me the bother. A friendly warning though. Watch out for Joe - he doesn't like whataboutery.
I don't think you quite understand whataboutery, ILA...
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 30, 2017, 12:38 pm »
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I don't think you quite understand whataboutery, ILA...
I thought "what about the SNP in Holyrood" would qualify. I didn't know about the chameleon factor, depending on who's employing it.
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Re: The future of British politics
« on: June 30, 2017, 12:41 pm »
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I thought "what about the SNP in Holyrood" would qualify. I didn't know about the chameleon factor, depending on who's employing it.
No, you really DON'T get it.
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