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Hey, Mark, I remember you being particularly vocal about Clinton's emails. I assume you will be condemning, Kellyanne Conway, Jared Kushner, Sean Spicer and Steve Bannon for using private email now?

Hey Phil. Using a private email wasn't the issue. Clinton setup a home-brew server with amateurish security and used it for ALL communication, private and state.

If we discover Trump's staff occasionally veer into state business over private email then I guess that's slightly disappointing. But if we discover that they are abandoning their Gov addresses and therefore forcing everyone to use their private email, then they will absolutely deserve equal condemnation that Clinton received.
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http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/doomsday-clock-expected-to-move-closer-to-midnight-as-threat-of-global-annihilation-grows/ar-AAmeWAr?li=AAaeUIW&ocid=spartandhp

Do hope you're NOT sitting comfortably folks!
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^  I think I'll just try to enjoy what time there is left!
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Yeh the fact its even on the agenda is a huge victory for the Islamists.

Looks like the UN is now under threat as well.

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The order establishes a committee to recommend where those funding cuts should be made. It asks the committee to look specifically at United States funding for peacekeeping operations; the International Criminal Court; development aid to countries that “oppose important United States policies”; and the United Nations Population Fund, which oversees maternal and reproductive health programs.

If President Trump signs the order and its provisions are carried out, the cuts could severely curtail the work of United Nations agencies, which rely on billions of dollars in annual United States contributions for missions that include caring for refugees.

In that same article, there's talk about another executive order aimed at reviewing multilateral treaties.

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The order says this review applies only to multilateral treaties that are not “directly related to national security, extradition or international trade,” but it is unclear what falls outside these restrictions.

For example, the Paris climate agreement or other environmental treaties deal with trade issues but could potentially fall under this order.

An explanatory statement that accompanies the draft order mentions two United Nations treaties for review: the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women and the Convention on the Rights of the Child.

That's another Orange Hitler campaign promise: to withdraw from international organisations.
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This is apparently why Trump is so mad about (non existent) voter fraud. His mate Bernhard Langer saw people who looked like latinos being able to vote.

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The three witnesses recalled Mr. Langer being the protagonist of the story, although a White House official claimed the president had been telling a story relayed to the golfer by one of Mr. Langer’s friends.

The witnesses described the story this way: Mr. Langer, a 59-year-old native of Bavaria, Germany — a winner of the Masters twice and of more than 100 events on major professional golf tours around the world — was standing in line at a polling place near his home in Florida on Election Day, the president explained, when an official informed Mr. Langer he would not be able to vote.

Ahead of and behind Mr. Langer were voters who did not look as if they should be allowed to vote, Mr. Trump said, according to the staff members — but they were nonetheless permitted to cast provisional ballots. The president threw out the names of Latin American countries that the voters might have come from.

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On another board i made a long post about this, included an analysis of the destructive power of the Царь-бомба and all and my conclusion was that even if there were nuclear wars (very unlikely in the first place) the nukes are overrated, so even a huge nuclear WW3 wouldn't be the end of the world. My 2 cents about this thing.

So there's basically nothing out there to fear, like no one messes with the Russians. No need to fear occupation either, the Russians left the countries they occupied. There's no need to worry about help coming or not from the USA or the western countries either, like in '56 we were waiting for the USA to help when the Russians were kicking our butt but ofc no help came, no help is coming or going to anyone from them lol when there's Russia involved, the west are just parading shipping and pushing rockets here and there. It's a funny clown parade lol but no one messes with Russia. But no need to worry cause the Russians are sensible people and they're not planning attacking and occupying countries. The current fear mongering is just distraction by the western countries, to make people think less about the west's nonstop failures and messups, crises, etc etc.
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On another board i made a long post about this, included an analysis of the destructive power of the Царь-бомба and all and my conclusion was that even if there were nuclear wars (very unlikely in the first place) the nukes are overrated, so even a huge nuclear WW3 wouldn't be the end of the world. My 2 cents about this thing.

Did you now? lol

Anyway. It would't be the "end of the world" in the sense that the entire planet is literally destroyed, but a "huge nuclear WW3" would almost certainly result in the end of human civilisation (supply chains irrecoverably disrupted, capital cities destroyed, infrastructure destroyed). There's also the possibility that nuclear winter could result in a mass extinction event, though the modelling remains uncertain, and there isn't scientific consensus around it.
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Did you now? lol

Anyway. It would't be the "end of the world" in the sense that the entire planet is literally destroyed, but a "huge nuclear WW3" would almost certainly result in the end of human civilisation (supply chains irrecoverably disrupted, capital cities destroyed, infrastructure destroyed). There's also the possibility that nuclear winter could result in a mass extinction event, though the modelling remains uncertain, and there isn't scientific consensus around it.
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The one i wrote is not in English and i've had enough of the intelligibility complaints, and as you said there isn't scientific consensus about it, simply put, no one fricking knows what would happen. There were these popular horror scenarios in the 80s about mass extinctions and nuclear winters. I've read tons of scientific, military studies about this, Russian ones included and my conclusion is that those horror scenarios are fear-mongering and far from realistic. BTW the latest western studies didn't predict the end of the world either, sure sure, a nuclear war would affect the ozone layer, the temperature, in the densely populated regions there would be ugly things but imo the fear-mongers "underestimate" (on purpose) the ability of the globe and its creatures to adapt. Yeah, and that's just my way of saying personally i'm not scared of a nuclear war.


As for the Trump thing, Mark is posting these positive charts, the Americans i'm friends with are ALL happy with him, why the bashing, i mean even when there is something positive like the things Mark's been posting someone will shake the doomsday rattle and will say it's the harbinger of the horrors to come. Like ooh yes but when Trump's protectionist measures kick in all this will go to  poo Trump said in his campaign what he wanted, he wanted protectionist policies and wall and stuff and that's what the Americans have chosen...
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Yeah, and that's just my way of saying personally i'm not scared of a nuclear war.

lol You'd probably die in the opening exchanges. Sure life in general is adaptable, but as I pointed out, human civilisation is incredibly fragile. Supply chains would be disrupted, intensive agriculture would fail, billions would die, and what survives would likely resemble something from the feudal era. That doesn't seem like a very good thing.

As for Trump, the Americans I'm friends with are appalled at what he's doing - it's actually worse than they feared.
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I saw that too on the MSN homepage.  Alarmist twaddle, but then scientists do like playing their scary little games, and I'd be very interested to know the reason why it was set for 7 minutes to midnight in 1947.  Why 7 minutes?  confused
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lol You'd probably die in the opening exchanges.
Better not bring up the famous exchanges that you "won" please  Rolling Eyes Those exchanges usually go like this:

Me: So the socialists fear-mongered about transylvanians coming in hordes here after they get the citizenship.
You: Don't you think Orbán was fear-mongering about the Syrians too?

a local chimes in: excellent observation boogers like always

Me: But the transylvanians didn't come, on the other hand there were terrorist attacks in germany and france.

You: What you said doesn't mean what you wanted to say..... What a mental lightweight.

Local 2: Astute observation boogers, the biggest joke is PPP doesn't even notice how he's getting owned:

Me: but the parallel sucks ffs

Gang: Go back to the mensa thread PPP, this is not for you......  Victory!!!!!!!!!  band  highfive

or another example:

You: the east-europeans live in fear of Russia
Me: But hey, all of us have Russia-friendly leaders, here's the picture.
You: we've dismantled that already...
Me: when exactly? and how?
You: (evading question) Here's the poll, its rigorous methodology is unquestionable...
Me:??? But the results of that western propaganda poll suck, they give a distorted picture of ppl's sentiments, people are Russia friendly here and they chose Russia friendly leaders.
You: That is a Russian propaganda picture, we've dismantled that already and you suffered a crushing defeat.
Me: wtf????? That is from a Romanian, US friendly article.... how could it be Russian propaganda???
You: no can read Romanian bro, you lost.
Me: but how exactly did i lose? plz explain:

Gang: back to the mensa PPP, you suck....... Victory!!!!  partyman


human civilisation is incredibly fragile. Supply chains would be disrupted, intensive agriculture would fail, billions would die, and what survives would likely resemble something from the feudal era. That doesn't seem like a very good thing.
well, human civilisation is responsible for lots of evils in the world, like the nukes  Whistle

As for Trump, the Americans I'm friends with are appalled at what he's doing - it's actually worse than they feared.
Hmmm i don't have friends like that, anyway, the majority chose Trump   Shrug

Alarmist twaddle
Exactly.
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Better not bring up the famous exchanges that you "won" please  ... insane delusional rantings ...

Jesus christ, you're quite ludicrous. The opening exchanges of a nuclear war.

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well, human civilisation is responsible for lots of evils in the world, like the nukes  Whistle

I think most people quite enjoy living in civilisation, rather than in a medieval wasteland.

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Hmmm i don't have friends like that, anyway, the majority chose Trump

The majority didn't.
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I saw that too on the MSN homepage.  Alarmist twaddle

Not really:

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The Doomsday Clock now not only takes into account the likelihood of nuclear Armageddon but also other emerging threats, such as climate change and advances in biotechnology and artificial intelligence.

Given the Trump administrations pledge to restart nuclear weapon development and attitudes towards climate change, it's not that alarmist.
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Jesus christ, you're quite ludicrous. The opening exchanges of a nuclear war.
Now that's what we don't know. What the targets would be. And you know right that even the biggest nukes have certain radiuses. Yes yes, there's radioactive pullution, we got some of that from Chernobyl, some people got cancer some not. like many people in big industrial cities get cancer from the pollution and some not.

So yeah big nuke bombs' radius




Like you know the world is a huuuuuuuge place, why would for example India be targeted in a war like this, or certain parts of Africa, etc etc, i mean we don't even know what countries would participate and who would die first.

So how do we know i wouldn't survive the opening exchanges, like there's not much here to bomb. And you know right that nukes are expensive and they're not unlimited...

Even if they bombed paks cause that's a nuke plant i would still survive lol!!!!


From the long term consequences like pollution, temperature changes and all all would suffer but again we don't know how much.


Given the Trump administrations pledge to restart nuclear weapon development and attitudes towards climate change, it's not that alarmist.
Yeah and don't you think if he really went bonkers and wanted to start a pointless nuke war someone would take him out for real???? Like there's nothing that serious in the pic yet and Fiverings is already seeing Trump blood splattered walls and stuff....
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You dick! My home town is within that radius! What did it ever do to you?!
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