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Quote from: ZARFEEN15 on January 29, 2013, 12:20 pm
WHEN.WAS.THAT? God, that is AWESOME!!

After the match, in the analysis with Sue Barker and John  Lloyd, and they agreed. It was quite a moment, not only for obvious 'I loathe Federer' reasons, but because it shows how well Andy is playing.
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Quote from: teejay1 on January 29, 2013, 12:32 pm
After the match, in the analysis with Sue Barker and John  Lloyd, and they agreed. It was quite a moment, not only for obvious 'I loathe Federer' reasons, but because it shows how well Andy is playing.


Thanks for the info TJ Smile
Just googled a bit of this to know more about it....I've started liking Andrew Castle now :P
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Quote from: ZARFEEN15 on January 29, 2013, 12:36 pm

Thanks for the info TJ Smile
Just googled a bit of this to know more about it....I've started liking Andrew Castle now :P

Oh, I wouldn't go that far lol. However, to give him credit, he said it as he saw it after the semi. It was quite clear that Andy was the better player for most of that match, and he also handled the match really well, given the history between him and Federer in the slams. It was good of Castle and co. to notice lol.
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I've never understood the beef with Castle. The only tedium is the constant patronising speak about the basic rules of tennis and the challenge system, but then given that it's on BBC there will probably be many people who don't really follow the sport, so it's somewhat understandable.

He's always been very pro-Murray though. He tends to rave a bit too much about all the type guys when they play, but he's often in awe of Murray's play and you could see how delighted he was at the Olympics when Murray won gold.

Not my favourite commentator by any means but I don't mind him at all. Castle and Lloyd were far better to listen to than the likes of Reed, Wilander, Wade and McMillan. Eurosport's only plus was having Jamie and Ross along.
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Emma Jean
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 Lendl seems to think Andy got distracted by Federer's outburst at 6-5 when Andy was serving for the match. Andy didn't say he was rattled or distracted; not that he will, but it was ill timing no matter how you look at it. But more importantly, Andy did lose that game and wasn't able to seal the deal in 4 sets. Went on to lose the TB as well. Quickly regrouped himself together in the 5th but it could have gone the other way too. Players should not be telling other players off during matches. If it was audible he would have been warned at least.
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In all seriousness, I have no problem with Andrew Castle really. He can be entertaining, and is pretty well informed. Lloyd is the same. Castle was delighted when Andy won the Olympics, I agree, and did some fab coaching during the match, although it looked like Andy had got it covered lol. I have to say, Castle was genuinely delighted Andy won the semi at the AO too, and spoke well of how Andy deserves all the success he has had since Wimbledon. Can't argue with that.

My favourite comms are those I've learned things from. Petch is good because he tells you what a player has done and what they could do, and I like McEnroe for the same reasons. He tells you what a player could do and why they need to do it, which is good for someone like me. I like Fleming as well, but just because I think he's a bit bonkers lol.
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Quote from: Emma Jean on January 29, 2013, 02:52 pm
            
 Players should not be telling other players off during matches. If it was audible he would have been warned at least.


I think Lendl has a good point to be honest. Sure, Andy should have got on with it, but it was, shall we say, a well timed outburst.

I never really bother about the language players use. I think we can all say things in the heat of the moment. However, what really surprised me, or maybe it didn't really, is that Federer swore at his opponent, and it was audible, quite clearly. Swearing at a missed chance, or at yourself, like Andy has done at times, is one thing, swearing at your opponent, at least in my opinion, is something else. It was unbelievable to me that he wasn't warned. For goodness sake, even I yelled 'audible obscenity' at the TV. The TV didn't listen lol.
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I prefer Andrew Castle to John Lloyd but they did both praise Andy at the Fed match and spoke about his contribution to British tennis.   They even said how lucky we were to have him and how lucky the younger players were to have someone like Andy to look up to.
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Quote from: Emma Jean on January 29, 2013, 02:52 pm
            
            
 Lendl seems to think Andy got distracted by Federer's outburst at 6-5 when Andy was serving for the match. Andy didn't say he was rattled or distracted; not that he will, but it was ill timing no matter how you look at it. But more importantly, Andy did lose that game and wasn't able to seal the deal in 4 sets. Went on to lose the TB as well. Quickly regrouped himself together in the 5th but it could have gone the other way too. Players should not be telling other players off during matches. If it was audible he would have been warned at least.


Totally agree with Lendl; that would definitely rattle someone! Where did Lendl say that?
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Quote from: janetx on January 29, 2013, 03:46 pm
Totally agree with Lendl; that would definitely rattle someone! Where did Lendl say that?

I read it in one of the articles either posted here on the News thread or somewhere else. I will pull it up when I get a chance.

Andy's too kind but more importantly, he probably has a lot of respect for Federer, Nole, Nadal etc. so he let it go, but the outcome could have been heavily compromised had he let this affect him in a major way. He probably did until the end of TB but in the 5th set, he shrugged it off.
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Quote from: teejay1 on January 29, 2013, 03:14 pm
I think Lendl has a good point to be honest. Sure, Andy should have got on with it, but it was, shall we say, a well timed outburst.

I never really bother about the language players use. I think we can all say things in the heat of the moment. However, what really surprised me, or maybe it didn't really, is that Federer swore at his opponent, and it was audible, quite clearly. Swearing at a missed chance, or at yourself, like Andy has done at times, is one thing, swearing at your opponent, at least in my opinion, is something else. It was unbelievable to me that he wasn't warned. For goodness sake, even I yelled 'audible obscenity' at the TV. The TV didn't listen lol.

Many couldn't pick it up here on the forum. Our TV however showed Federer's outburst in slow motion but that happened only after they saw Andy's reaction first and they wanted to investigate. Anyway, I could see the swearing but I just couldn't figure it out what exactly was said I (I could only read 'f**k'). I had been trying to put things together since then and luckily for me, the match came on TV again at 2:30pm and they picked up the match from the 3rd set. And it was all there for me to see and this time, I was able to interpret the whole thing as to why Federer felt the need to curse at Andy.

It was interesting to see that side of Federer and I kept wondering the whole afternoon had Andy said the same to Federer, what would have happened. At that time, during the match, it didn't bother me as much as I was really trying to focus on the match rather than duel on these matters. I did want Andy to not challenge anymore after the 2nd one, but Andy just wanted to make sure that no point was slipped especially in the 4th set. I can understand why.
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Here it is...I highlighted the part at the very bottom of the article.
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Andy Murray's coach Ivan Lendl convinced they make a formidable team

Twelve months after taking over as Murray's right-hand man, Lendl says the pair's understanding has definitely developed

Ivan Lendl remains as cool as ever ahead of Andy Murray's appearance in the final of the Australian Open against Novak Djokovic on Sunday. The coach, who has been with him since they hooked up here a year ago, was not carried away with statistics or history, especially the curiosity of Murray trying to become the first player in the Open era to follow his first slam title with another one straight away. When reminded that, as a player, he had to wait a good deal longer for his second major, Lendl, who won eight of them, was not impressed.

"I've never thought about it but I told Andy before the tournament: 'Apparently no player has won three Australian Opens in a row in the Open era and no player in the Open era has won his first major and then won his second win in the very next major. So that means Roger has to win here!' That's not going to happen now, so one of those theories goes out of the window. Once again it's a lovely story for you guys, but I pay no attention to that."

He reckoned it would play no part in Murray's performance. But did he not think that, in his own case, he was still developing as a player in the slams immediately after he had won his first title? "Well [John] McEnroe was still ranked No1, and Mats Wilander was still at least the same as me, if not better, on clay at that time."

He accepted his tennis might have still been evolving, like Murray's. "Possibly. I hate to compare like that, but I see what you're trying to say. Possibly."

How has the experience of working with Murray in Melbourne this time compared with last year? "It was less hectic this year because last year was a novelty and everybody wanted to talk. This year you guys have left me alone a lot more and it's a lot easier for me."

With a year's experience together, are they a better team? "No doubt about it. We have learned about each other and understand each other better. I think that would [be the case] in any team, in any relationship, that you would do better after a year."

Is it more enjoyable for that reason? "Yeah, that's one of the reasons. I've got my golf game set up very well too, so that was very enjoyable."

Murray talks of the importance of peaking at right time – how did they go about achieving that as a team? "Well unfortunately you're not in control of your schedule. You're not in full control of when you play. You're not in full control of how long the matches are. So that affects things. And every player is different. Some players need a tough match early, some need a tough match before the final, some don't need a tough match. So you don't go about it, you just have to deal with the cards you have."

Lendl said Djokovic's extra day of rest before the final would not have any effect – "Not at the age both guys are and the fitness they have" – and he has been impressed with Murray's energy levels throughout the tournament, especially in the semi-final against Roger Federer.

"It was great that he didn't dawdle around in the matches when he was in control and finished them, and most likely it can only help. I felt Andy was a little bit ahead in the [semi-final] the entire time. I don't know what the exact number of breaks against Andy and breaks against Roger were, but it would be big in Andy's favour, probably 6-2. [Murray converted six of 16, Federer two of six] And I remember playing a match like that myself.

"It's somewhat frustrating as you haven't been broken. I played the semi-final of Wimbledon against Slobodan Zivojinovic one year, I think it was '86 [it was], it was, like, 6-1, 6-7, 6-2, 6-7, 6-4 [actually 6-2, 6-7, 6-3, 6-7, 6-4]. It's very frustrating, because the guy isn't making any inroads on your serve but you find yourself two sets all and you know you have been the better player. The good point there was that Andy's fitness came through. I think it was apparent that he was fitter in the fifth set than Roger and that's why that set was relatively – using that word loosely – relatively easy."

Lendl, though, was most impressed with the way Murray handled the frustration of blowing the fourth set, when he was serving for the match at 6-5, and distracted by an exchange of words and looks with Federer.

"Yes I'm very proud of him, how he dealt with it. It has to do with preparation, though. If you feel you're strong and you don't feel like you are going to run out of gas, it's a lot easier to deal with that than if you feel I've only got four more games in me or something. If you feel, OK, I can play three more sets I'm fine, it's a lot easier to swallow the bitter pill of losing the fourth set in a tie-breaker."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/26/andy-murray-ivan-lendl-team
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Quote from: TheMadHatter on January 29, 2013, 02:04 pm
I've never understood the beef with Castle.

Me either.  Met him twice and he seemed like a good bloke.
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Quote from: Tasmanian Devil on March 04, 2013, 04:18 pm
Me either.  Met him twice and he seemed like a good bloke.
I went off Castle the first time Andy played Tim and he compared them like a fine wine and an alchopop.  Guess who was who?  I thought that comment was outrageous - and not because I was ever not a Henman fan.  I always rooted for him whenever he played (except against Andy. Very Happy)
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I went off Castle when:

a) He made the final of the British Championships in 1986 and, knowing he was on telly, put up a card on his chair protesting against the poll tax.

b) He groped Claire Nasir's bum on live TV.

c) I wrote a script for a holiday company that he was doing the voiceover for. I got £300; he got a villa on Barbados.
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