This is interesting too -

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-to-look-very-carefully-at-vaccine-dosing-after-concerns-raised-over-level-of-protection-12193205

The last couple of pages of this thread highlight two massive problems with humans:

1. in general they are appalling at calibrating risk (see the simple calculation on the last page)
2. they have a predilection for believing any old conspiracy ******** if it happens to fit their preconceived views

I won't argue with the first point, but as for the second one, I do NOT as a rule believe in conspiracy theories.

And the latest scare story is ....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/20/talking-can-spread-covid-as-much-as-coughing-says-research

When will the media realise that publishing unverified stories like this does nobody any good whatsoever.  The public want facts not half-baked scientific theories.

^ There's nothing unreasonable about being cautious where a new and largely unproven vaccine is concerned.

Also perhaps you could explain this tragic death -

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/05/dad-demands-answers-as-daughter-died-two-days-after-covid-vaccine-13848457/

You must  try to remember these things

Unfortunately the older you get the worse your memory gets, and there isn't much you can do about it.

You don't know anything really do you?

The song is called "Delaware" - Biden comes from Delaware - you know that now don't you ???

  Yes I did know that but forgot!  I was though aware of the title of the song having listened to it umpteen times when it was first released.

^ Clever song. circa 1955 as far as I remember, although I don't know what it has to do with Joe Biden!

I can't be bothered to read the article again, and really you should know that I hardly ever read links to things on this forum - there are too many links posted anyway (I think)

At least it's better than the 'old' days when people used to post whole articles, until Mark put a stop to it because it was taking up too much space on threads.

People do have a right to find out all they can about the vaccine, but if you delve into anything, you're bound to find something negative.

True, but then you have to weigh up the pros and cons of whatever that thing is and take the way that you feel most comfortable with, and that applies to the covid vaccines and the concerns and otherwise about its safety.

I think there are too many people anxious to spread "rumours" about the vaccines and are therefore undermining the whole thing.

There are also a lot of people, including the government, who are very keen to promote it by reassuring us about its safety and effectiveness.

Anyway you've made the decision to have it:  I've made the decision not to have it mainly because I don't see much point in taking the risk given my circumstances.

Those people who died might have died anyway - they might not have died because of the vaccine.  They might have had anaphylactic shock as a result of the vaccine I suppose.
It is worrying but it almost certainly is coincidental - which is sad, yes.
It's all too easy to spread "rumours" about the vaccine, it isn't right to do that, we don't want people to feel frightened and therefore not to have the jab.
I don't think there any deaths reported from the vaccine in the UK.

If you read the article again, a lot of the deaths certainly aren't down to coincidence!   Why do you think they're being investigated?

As for spreading 'rumours' I think people have a right to find out all they can about the covid vaccines before making up their minds whether to have it or not.

As far as I know no deaths from the vaccine have been reported in the UK, but the MHRA has reported two cases of anaphylaxis due to the Pfizer vaccine, and that, as you probably know, can be fatal.

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