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 on: Today at 12:57 AM 
Started by Mark - Last post by Aileen
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 on: Today at 12:53 AM 
Started by amongsttheleaves - Last post by Aileen
Me too, it doesn't feel a completely unrealistic hope!  I'm also hoping Domi Thiem gets that far - though obviously I'm not sure... I'm probably going to be one of the few there who isn't that interested in Fed/Nadal (I know...).
I just hope you aren't surrounded by Fed luvvies!  Nadal's fans seem to be OK though.  Like you I'm not particularly struck on watching either of them.  I hope Thiem does well too because I really like the guy, and also any player who uses a single-handed backhand gets my vote every time, including Fed.

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 on: Today at 12:31 AM 
Started by althusser - Last post by laundry
^ The problem being that the country will have to live with their mistakes should Corbyn make it and mess things up, so I don't know what the answer to all this is really.
There is no answer. Just as with Trump, if you do have a terrible leader you simply have to ride out the times, point out their flaws and hope the country learns for the future.

You would hope that by the end of Trump's term the US public will have learnt a very important lesson and no one like Trump will get near the white-house again for a very long time. I imagine the political establishment will have learnt some things too, and perhaps in the future they will introduce some stronger laws against election interference and some of the free reign of the presidency which can be heavily abused.

Sometimes people just have to learn from their mistakes, and unfortunately part of that means you have to live with the consequences when they happen.

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 on: Yesterday at 11:27 PM 
Started by althusser - Last post by althusser
  Marx and Trotsky - two extremely interesting individuals who have become encrusted with the baggage of history.

True - Marx himself was a thinker of awesome power and stunning insight. Unlike so many who took his name later as  'Marxists'

Trotsky a smart guy and great writer, but should never have been let near real power

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 on: Yesterday at 10:53 PM 
Started by amongsttheleaves - Last post by AndyThiemShapovalov
Me too, it doesn't feel a completely unrealistic hope!  I'm also hoping Domi Thiem gets that far - though obviously I'm not sure... I'm probably going to be one of the few there who isn't that interested in Fed/Nadal (I know...).

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 on: Yesterday at 10:28 PM 
Started by althusser - Last post by Aileen
^ The problem being that the country will have to live with their mistakes should Corbyn make it and mess things up, so I don't know what the answer to all this is really.

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 on: Yesterday at 10:11 PM 
Started by amongsttheleaves - Last post by Aileen
Wow - it would be wonderful if you did because I'd like to see them get that far, and preferably win it!

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 on: Yesterday at 09:50 PM 
Started by althusser - Last post by laundry
I suppose the problem is that there are plenty of over-21's who are equally as ignorant. I don't know if there is a solution, but I'm pretty sure lowering the age to 16 isn't it.
Thing is they will be 18 by the time the next election comes so the age limit won't make much difference to them. And that extra voting base will be a big push for labour come the next one, an extra 4 years of youth with the same line of thought and high youth turnout again.

I'm afraid you cannot prevent a movement within the young forever, at some point you have to exept that they will have their time in the sun. Only once Corbyn has the stand and then if/when it's a complete disaster will it provide the opportunity for the youth to see their mistakes.

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 on: Yesterday at 09:31 PM 
Started by althusser - Last post by Fiverings
Its a well worn path - even a certain Mr Blair was into Trotsky in his youth
 Marx and Trotsky - two extremely interesting individuals who have become encrusted with the baggage of history.

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 on: Yesterday at 09:30 PM 
Started by althusser - Last post by Fiverings
Yeh. To be more positive though, the chances are many of the young Labour people will develop more nuanced views over time. Im sure we have all held views in the past that we cringe at now.
 Indeed.  I voted against joining the EEC in 1975. Now I can appreciate how valuable an institution it is in the world.

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