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 on: September 20, 2017, 09:26 PM 
Started by Mark - Last post by althusser


The first on the shifting definition of what Socialism is. The hypothesis is that the shifting definition is based on the fact that Socialist economies inevitably go to shit, and that the Western Lefts support follows a predictable pattern from laudation to denial.

Pretty good on setting out the support and apologism of quite a lot of Western commentators for Stalinism etc. Its well worth highlighting and reflecting on.

Its more misleading in seeming to suggest that socialists across the board were complicit. Far from true, I mean the Trotskyists may be awful but one thing you cannot accuse them of is apologism for Stalinism, with lots of elaboration following Leon's own damning verdict in 'The Revolution Betrayed'.

Agree that the 'that's not real socialism' defence is hollow in the face of catastrophe, but the IEA are kind of mirroring that approach

 62 
 on: September 20, 2017, 09:21 PM 
Started by Ruthie - Last post by flowerpower
Apollo, I wrote you on sept 13Th, did you recieve my message?

 63 
 on: September 20, 2017, 08:55 PM 
Started by althusser - Last post by boogers
As predicted he has said that all the powers the Scottish Parliament have at the moment will be returned to Westminster on Brexit. Surprise Surprise it was obvious the Westminster Tories continue to lie through their teeth.

Scots should never trust the UK government they continue to lie through their teeth. Good to see the Welsh Government have joined the SNP in talks about brexit.

Where is the lie, oh permanently baffled and angry one?

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 on: September 20, 2017, 08:12 PM 
Started by althusser - Last post by Littlebuddha
See the cat is out of the bag Damien Green visited the Scottish Parliament to discuss Brexit.

As predicted he has said that all the powers the Scottish Parliament have at the moment will be returned to Westminster on Brexit. Surprise Surprise it was obvious the Westminster Tories continue to lie through their teeth.

Scots should never trust the UK government they continue to lie through their teeth. Good to see the Welsh Government have joined the SNP in talks about brexit.

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 on: September 20, 2017, 08:02 PM 
Started by althusser - Last post by Littlebuddha
It was on Reporting Scotland no so called cover up. The properties are privately owned.

There are bound to be high rise flats that will have the same cladding. I am sure the various councils will be taking action to replace the cladding with one that complies with fire regulations.

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 on: September 20, 2017, 07:22 PM 
Started by Mark - Last post by boogers
Coincidentally the IEA has a couple of interesting posts on Socialism. Caveat: I know the IEA has a neo-liberal agenda, but I thought they were interesting:

The first on the shifting definition of what Socialism is. The hypothesis is that the shifting definition is based on the fact that Socialist economies inevitably go to shit, and that the Western Lefts support follows a predictable pattern from laudation to denial.

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Part of the reason has to be that socialists have been very good at distancing themselves from real-world examples of their ideas in action. Mention the Soviet Union, or Mao’s China, or any other historical or contemporary example of socialism in the presence of a socialist, and they will invariably roll their eyes, and say “Oh, come on. Now you’re just being silly.”

The second that Nordic style social democracies are not socialist.

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One of the most common criticisms we have received since the publication of the video concerned the definition of socialism. Sure, the dictionary definition is straightforward enough. According to Merriam-Webster, socialism is “any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods”. But is that really what people mean when they describe themselves as ’socialists’ or express approval of it?

At least in the English-speaking world, the term is also sometimes used in reference to countries with strong social democratic traditions, such as the Nordic countries. So is the apparent popularity of socialism really just a semantic confusion? Are self-described socialists really just Nordic-style social democrats, who happen to have a penchant for socialist rhetoric? If so, are we missing the point by talking about places like Venezuela, when British socialists really just want Britain to be a bit more like Sweden or Denmark?

The answer is no. This is not about semantics or political labels. It is about policy content. It is not that self-described socialists are not ‘really’ socialists. Rather, self-described admirers of the Nordic model are not really admirers of the Nordic model.

 67 
 on: September 20, 2017, 07:15 PM 
Started by Ruthie - Last post by Apollo
Hi Everyone,
We have eleven messages to date, I have just done the last message I received from Tamara. 
Wondering why ATL and some of the others who are so pro Andy have not sent messages.  I would like to be able to finish the card on the 30th and get it in the mail.  I will also need the address to send it.

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 on: September 20, 2017, 07:01 PM 
Started by althusser - Last post by boogers
An SNP council with the SNP Scottish Government conspired to cover up the use of Grenfell style cladding, putting lives at risk.

That's not a good look.

 69 
 on: September 20, 2017, 05:39 PM 
Started by Mark - Last post by Fiverings
plain brown paper

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 on: September 20, 2017, 05:33 PM 
Started by Mark - Last post by moonglow
carefully wrapped in

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