[humbfig]

Mardy did say "Suddenly I'm playing like a Slam Champion"...... what an idiot. 
I can't stand the guy since he and the umpire decided to stop playing at Queens without asking Murray's opinion.
It hurts to watch Murray loose for Mardy more than any other player  . He looks like a guy who could sell his mother to win a match.

BTW, don't you people agree that Murray became FAT since around 2 years?
Can you remember how well he used to move in the court when he had thin legs?
Just look in youtube for his fabulous match against Nadal in Australia 2007. He was DANCING allover the court. Never mind where he puts the ball, just watching him move was great. And he was always in the right place to hit the ball......
Now he is always out of breath, even when he has not played 8 matches in 10 days he looks to strugle to breathe after any "6 stroke plus" rally.
What was that "geting fat" for?  He looks like Berdych but still doesn't have Berdych's power. He's still fast, but he is constantly out of place..... because he just starts moving when he sees the ball will fly past him......
I want the thin Murray back. I miss watching him dance in the court. 

HumbFig

[T4224T]

I have heard sycophantic Clydey in the past blaming wind, rain and lay lines for Murray’s arse collapsing metaphorically speaking and costing “Andy “the match. However with this match it appears Andy’s arse did collapse during a toilet break and literally it cost him the match.

[T4224T]

What on earth are you talking about?  It isn't fat, it's muscle weight and I don't think that has slowed him down in any way.  He may not "dance" like the thin Murray (and have you forgotten the muscle cramps the skinny Andy used to get?) but my goodness he can fairly scamper round the court.  How otherwise do you explain some of his incredible returns after chasing down impossible looking balls?

Fatty's always say its muscle weight. If he can still scamper round the court chasing down impossible looking balls, why was he left bent double trying to breathe through his ass tonight?

[humbfig]

What on earth are you talking about?  It isn't fat, it's muscle weight and I don't think that has slowed him down in any way.  He may not "dance" like the thin Murray (and have you forgotten the muscle cramps the skinny Andy used to get?) but my goodness he can fairly scamper round the court.  How otherwise do you explain some of his incredible returns after chasing down impossible looking balls?

Dear Aileen, I can't be 100% sure what is best for him. It's just my 2 cents.....
Personally, I prefer some muscle cramps while I'm breathing, as opposite to not being able to breathe on my perfect fat legs.
About "chasing down impossible looking balls", I do believe he didn't have to chase so many when he was thinner, cause he was already there...... or, saying the same thing in another way: when he was dancing allover the court, few balls looked impossible......

HumbFig

[humbfig]

Well, let's agree to disagree over this.  But just tell me - how many players these days have skinny legs?

Well, I hate to give this example, but Mardy fish has discovered that skinny legs made him a sudden slam Champion.....  
Davydenko, Federer, Cilic......

Anyway, this is an interesting discussion. What is best for a tennis player?
For a cyclist, fat muscled legs will give you power to sprint, skinny legs will take you up the mountains.....
For a runner, fat muscled legs will make you fast on 100 m, skinny legs will make you fast on 10 km....
But for a tennis player?   I don't know, but probably it will work out differently for different players.....
It depends on the player's style, what is natural to him.....
Can you imagine more muscle being good to Davydenko? I can't! His game is based on his movement....
Can you imagine an underpowerd Soderling after loosing 20 Kg wining a single match? I can't.......

What is better for Murray? His movement used to such a big thing in his game..... used to be so important for him.....
Now it's not even there. It's not a factor anymore......
What for? Can he punch the ball now? Can he out-power soderling, Berdych, Del Potro? No, he can not......
So, what did he gain besides not being able to breathe? no cramps?

[Clydey]

Mardy did say "Suddenly I'm playing like a Slam Champion"...... what an idiot. 
I can't stand the guy since he and the umpire decided to stop playing at Queens without asking Murray's opinion.
It hurts to watch Murray loose for Mardy more than any other player  . He looks like a guy who could sell his mother to win a match.

BTW, don't you people agree that Murray became FAT since around 2 years?
Can you remember how well he used to move in the court when he had thin legs?
Just look in youtube for his fabulous match against Nadal in Australia 2007. He was DANCING allover the court. Never mind where he puts the ball, just watching him move was great. And he was always in the right place to hit the ball......
Now he is always out of breath, even when he has not played 8 matches in 10 days he looks to strugle to breathe after any "6 stroke plus" rally.
What was that "geting fat" for?  He looks like Berdych but still doesn't have Berdych's power. He's still fast, but he is constantly out of place..... because he just starts moving when he sees the ball will fly past him......
I want the thin Murray back. I miss watching him dance in the court. 

HumbFig

No, Fish never said that about himself. That's just my new nickname for him.

I think people are overreacting. Murray was clearly knackered. He just straight setted Nadal and Federer back to back and people are still doubting his ability.

[humbfig]

^ Actaually I've just had a look at the video to which you refer.  Impressive stuff.  What interested me more than Murray's mobility is his aggression and coming up to the net a lot - but then his coach was Brad Gilbert.

Also you have to remember that Andy was only 19 at the time, so it's inevitable that, at 23, his body's "filled out" generally.  He's just a skinny teenager here.

No!!!!!!!!!!!!
He was not coming to the net a lot. He was MOVING!!!!!!
And when you move a lot, sometimes you move forward, see? 
Doesn't it look natural in that video? Coming up to the net?
Not like now. He's just staying there in the end of the court..... sleeping (resting, trying to regain his breath)..... then he thinks: "I'm going to the net!"

You are right, he was just a skinny teen. But I think he overshooted. It seems planned, not natural. And his body "filled out" at 21, not 23.

BTW, the cool dude Baghdatis is in the semi-finals. If Andy (the Roddick one) doesn't put Fish in his place I'm sure Baghdatis will in the final.
Did you notice Baghdatis has skinny legs? 
He does seem to have tits, but that's only because his legs are skinny...... makes his trunk look big.....

[Aileen]

No!!!!!!!!!!!!
He was not coming to the net a lot. He was MOVING!!!!!!
And when you move a lot, sometimes you move forward, see? 
Doesn't it look natural in that video? Coming up to the net?
Not like now. He's just staying there in the end of the court..... sleeping (resting, trying to regain his breath)..... then he thinks: "I'm going to the net!"

You are right, he was just a skinny teen. But I think he overshooted. It seems planned, not natural. And his body "filled out" at 21, not 23.

BTW, the cool dude Baghdatis is in the semi-finals. If Andy (the Roddick one) doesn't put Fish in his place I'm sure Baghdatis will in the final.
Did you notice Baghdatis has skinny legs? 
He does seem to have tits, but that's only because his legs are skinny...... makes his trunk look big.....

OK Humbfig- like I said before, just let's agree to differ in our opinions.

By the way, I've just watched the Baghdatis/Nadal match but I'm not much interested in players' legs or their bodies, so I wouldn't know.  Great win for Baggy.  Hopefully he'll repeat the performance and beat Fed.