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Murray shocked by Zverev
« on: January 22, 2017, 08:51 pm »
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Andy Murray was bundled out of the Australian Open in the fourth round via a shock defeat to world number 50 Mischa Zverev, 5-7 7-5 2-6 4-6.
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Following Novak Djokovic's second round defeat on Thursday, hopes were high for Murray to win his first Melbourne title in his sixth final, but 2017 will not be the year in which he breaks his Aussie duck.
Zverev piled forward into the net to serve and volley an astonishing number of times - 119 occasions in all.
This unrelenting pressure on the world number one saw the German recover breaks in the first set and snatch it himself, 7-5.
Murray levelled the match by winning the second set, also 7-5, having again been up by and conceding breaks on two occasions.
Zverev, however, pulled away from his more illustrious opponent in set three and did not look back.
This was a mixed bag of a tournament for Murray then until this defeat - clunky against Illya Marchenko, dismissive of Andrey Rublev, clinical against Sam Querrey but ultimately without answers to Zverev's aggressive play.
The defeat will surely hurt Murray as the path to an elusive Australian Open title had seemed to clear with the early departure of Djokovic.
However, he must now look onwards and knuckle down to ensure a good set of performances in March's US hardcourt Masters swing and the European clay season.
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« on: January 22, 2017, 09:32 pm »
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Thank you joe .
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« on: January 22, 2017, 10:05 pm »
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I believe he told an interviewer that he would love to win Roland Garros
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« on: January 22, 2017, 10:20 pm »
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Excellent report. Thanks. Very unfortunate that Andy couldn't take the match and perhaps go on to win that elusive title, but I do agree that he's had a somewhat patchy tournament - perhaps some residual tiredness from all his exertions last year plus his usual training block which left him with little respite before hitting the courts again in Abu Dhabi and then Doha. Now he at least he can focus his attention on the Davis Cup, and then have a decent break before the next stage of the Tour.
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I believe he told an interviewer that he would love to win Roland Garros
If he has the desire, then don't see any reason why not, although a certain Spaniard might have other ideas. Still, Andy has now proved his worth on clay, so who knows.
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« on: January 23, 2017, 09:40 am »
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Agreed Aileen, I have read somewhere he may not play in the Davis Cup. I have a feeling he needs a good rest after all the exertions at the end of last year and his training camp in Miami. He could aim for RG , I cannot see nadal being fit all the time and that also applies to FED.
It is interesting who is going to win the AO now, perhaps Grimitrov
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« on: January 23, 2017, 10:50 am »
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Thanks Joe.
On reflection and with some help from Matts and Mac, I think in normal circumstances Andy would've worked out how to beat Mischa by changing his game, mixing it up etc but he seemed powerless to think straight, like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
This is so unlike the Andy he has become, I can only put it down to mental exhaustion.
Time to have a good rest and come back with that tennis brain as sharp as we know it is.
C'mon!
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« on: January 23, 2017, 11:17 am »
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I'm sure Andy will quickly find a way of beating Mischa whenever he sees him again on a tennis court. I do think Andy would be wise to skip the coming Davis Cup, however this is in his hands. Regarding Roland Garros I think that Andy can win this one, but at that time he'll need to be aware of Rafa and Federer - Novak will be worn out and unable to reach the second round there ! I hope Andy will do well in the Masters which are around the corner.
Just now I haven't got the current score for Rafa and Monfils, but I'm now hoping for an AO win for Rafa.
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« on: January 23, 2017, 04:44 pm »
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I think Zveres played out his skin but Andy seemed to have no answer to him. I have seen Andy in trouble in the past struggling to beat a lower ranked player with a serve and volley game. I don’t know what the answer is but trust Andy and his team will look at this defeat and work out a different game strategy. In fairness to Zveres, he was really good and deserved his win; Andy was below his best and deserved to lose. Now on to the French, with Novak and Raffa in the way.
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« on: January 23, 2017, 05:32 pm »
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Thanks for the report. It must have been difficult to write it after all the hopes we had and Andy had. He can look back at a tremendous performance in GS in recent years. Maybe it was his turn to stumble. In fact, all the top players had already experienced such surprise exits. Let us remember Seppi vs. Fed, Stakhovski vs. Fed, Querrey vs. Djokovic. Nadal suffered more than one "shock" defeat as well.
I share bbh's view that something got to Andy so that he was simple not able to do more, maybe due to some hangover from the past months. Had he been fresh, he would surely have figured out how to beat Zverev. He is not considered a tennis brain for nothing.
I hope he can quickly put his disappointment behind him, takes some weeks off, celebrates Sophia's birthday and appears on the tennis stage rejuvenated. After all, he is still the world's No1.
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« on: January 23, 2017, 08:09 pm »
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Martina was on TV saying that she's sure Andy is suffering from mental fatigue after all the effort he put in to get to the #1 spot. Meanwhile Andy has departed for the UK, but no word so far as to his plans to play in the DC. Maybe he'll make up his mind after he's had a few days' rest, but travelling to Ottawa so soon after come back from Oz might well be too difficult a time lag for him to deal with, not to mention the extra travel fatigue. However playing in the DC means so much to him, that I can see it being a difficult decision for him to make. Of course he might be prepared to go along to offer his support like he did last year, and make a family holiday out of the visit.
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« on: January 23, 2017, 08:43 pm »
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Quote from: Aileen on January 23, 2017, 08:09 pm
Martina was on TV saying that she's sure Andy is suffering from mental fatigue after all the effort he put in to get to the #1 spot. Meanwhile Andy has departed for the UK, but no word so far as to his plans to play in the DC. Maybe he'll make up his mind after he's had a few days' rest, but travelling to Ottawa so soon after come back from Oz might well be too difficult a time lag for him to deal with, not to mention the extra travel fatigue. However playing in the DC means so much to him, that I can see it being a difficult decision for him to make. Of course he might be prepared to go along to offer his support like he did last year, and make a family holiday out of the visit.
Yes, with Sophias first birthday coming up I'm sure that will be at the top of his schedule.
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Re: Murray shocked by Zverev
« on: January 23, 2017, 08:44 pm »
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Quote from: Aileen on January 23, 2017, 08:09 pm
Martina was on TV saying that she's sure Andy is suffering from mental fatigue after all the effort he put in to get to the #1 spot. Meanwhile Andy has departed for the UK, but no word so far as to his plans to play in the DC. Maybe he'll make up his mind after he's had a few days' rest, but travelling to Ottawa so soon after come back from Oz might well be too difficult a time lag for him to deal with, not to mention the extra travel fatigue. However playing in the DC means so much to him, that I can see it being a difficult decision for him to make. Of course he might be prepared to go along to offer his support like he did last year, and make a family holiday out of the visit.
DC only finishes 2 days before Sophia's 1st birthday and I think they may want a family party.
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« on: January 23, 2017, 09:10 pm »
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Quote from: Fiverings on January 23, 2017, 08:43 pm
Yes, with Sophias first birthday coming up I'm sure that will be at the top of his schedule.
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DC only finishes 2 days before Sophia's 1st birthday and I think they may want a family party.
Thank you. I'd forgotten about that. Hard to believe she's one now. How time flies!
Of course this problem wouldn't have arisen if the tie had been in the UK, but I realise we can't always have that! Still, if we lose there will be a relegation play-off later in the year, although with Dan and Edmund now making good progress, then there's a chance we could still win without Andy. They're going to have to get used to doing without him at some point though - but that's something I don't want to think about.
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« on: January 23, 2017, 11:47 pm »
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Not posted recently as still gutted at Andy going out so early (as I know you all are) but have been thinking about it and what does worry me (actually makes me angry) is that I feel that Andy was ambushed in this game and his team (and I specifically mean Lendl) did not prepare him properly. Those of us who have watched Andy for a long time will know that over the years he has struggled with guys who served a version of 'serve and volley'. Zverev has since commented on his game plan that there was no 'Plan B' - go out for all and out serve and volley. Jeb Green in Zverev's team would have pointed out Andy's weaknesses and advised Zverev that this was his best option. I know Andy knows Zverev from a long way back - but this does not mean he, on his own, would have been ready to adjust to that style of play on the day. If this observation is in any way accurate - and I accept that it is a viewpoint (not an 'alternative fact' I hasten to add) - then it does raise questions about the day to day game management of Andy at Slams. Andy likes Lendl because he feels it helps him to understand the pressure at the crucial points in Slams. But is there a price in that the fine critical details are missed and perhaps Jamie Delgado's advice is sidelined . I know others in others in other threads - e.g. ATL, etc have raised ? marks about the use of a part time coach - which is what Lendl is. Just hope Andy can regroup - but do worry that there might be some background noise in terms of the team upheavals that may distract him for a while
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« on: January 24, 2017, 12:16 am »
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I admit that I share the same concerns, not just about his team, but having Lendl as his coach for Slams, because as far as I can see, and I know ATL says the same, that there has been no noticeable improvements in Andy's game. In fact he seems to have regressed rather than progressed. I don't mean he's playing worse, because obviously he would never have got to #1 had that been the case, but I do find his attachment to the baseline worrying, and for that I blame Lendl because it was certainly not Amelie's way. Whether Delgado goes 100% along with this I wouldn't know, but if he's not too happy about it then that could cause some friction between him and Lendl, although fortunately Jamie seems a laid-back sort of guy - maybe too laid back? - so I doubt he'd be looking to stir the waters and cause Andy any undue stress unless he absolutely had to.
I still maintain that the main reason Andy lost this match wasn't so much because he couldn't quite figure out how to beat Zverev, but because of his reluctance to come up to the net more often, with the result that he kept trying to lob Zverev from the baseline or hit high balls at him, which Zverev more often than not smashed right back, costing Andy the point. I freely admit I was screaming at the TV because, for whatever reason - maybe it was mental fatigue as Martina has claimed, and Johnny Mac too - Andy just couldn't seem to get it into his head that this ploy simply wasn't working. His lobs did work on two or three occasions at least at the beginning of the match until Zverev got wise to them. Andy's so good at the net when he comes up to it, so a few dinky drop shots wouldn't have gone amiss, and Zverev certainly used them to good effect because he frequently caught Andy out because despite all his athleticism, which he seems to rely to get to these shots, he either just didn't get to them, or got to them too late to do much about them, although from what I saw when I watched a replay, Zverev anywhere near the net was lethal, but to me it would have been a ploy worth trying. There were a few really good exchanges at the net but not nearly enough as far as I was concerned, but then I'm a big fan of S&V having lived through all the years of it before the baseline slog-fests started to creep into the game and pretty much ruined it for me. I see little point in wasting energy pulling opponents around the court, unless the aim is to tire them out, until sooner or later one of them makes an error or manages to hit a winner. Maybe though I'm missing some subtlety here.
It'll certainly be interesting to see how Federer deals with Zverev, but, whatever the outcome, I am expecting a rather different match.
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