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allyh84
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I thought he played very well at the World Cup.
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Sir Panda
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Quote from: allyh84 on October 12, 2010, 09:27 pm
Haha Fabregas is the best player in Premiership, despite the fact that Arsenal have come nowhere near winning it in f**king years. So you'd rather have Fabregas over Drogba if you were offered both?

Who is the 2nd best? Modric? Cahill?

Italy-Serbia MASSIVELY kicking off. Serbian fans hurling objects at their team bus, throwing flares/fireworks onto the pitch, burning Kosovan flags (f**king funny tbh).

Match abondoned apparently.

More importantly, the match counts as void and my acca stays together!

I don't see your logic. Just because Fabregas hasn't won a PL medal, he isn't better than say, someone who has, like Wes Brown, or John O'Shea?

Fabregas is the best midfielder in the EPL by a country mile, and before his recent injury, was head and shoulders above anyone else in the league.

As I said, I rate Drogba highly, and comparing a striker and a midfielder doesn't really work.

Fabregas is also still to come into his prime, isn't he only 23/24?
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invisibleman18
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I'd rather have Fabregas over any other midfielder in the league just as I'd rather have Drogba over any other striker. Comparing the 2 together is a bit more difficult.

Anyway as Andrew says above, the logic is very flawed. The best player does not always play for the best team, while there can be poor or mediocre players in the best teams - see the likes of Silvestre or Wes Brown or Phil Neville etc with hundreds of PL and CL medals.

Using the same logic, while he hasn't won the Premiership, Fabregas has won the European Championship and the World Cup, both in which he made fairly crucial contributions - a winning penalty in a shootout in the former and setting up the winning goal in the final of the latter immediately spring to mind.

Lionel Messi on the other hand, who is pretty universally regarded as the best player in the world has never come close to winning the World Cup, and has been fairly mediocre at the 2 he's been to. He has also not won the Copa America. So Fabregas therefore is more likely the best player in the World than Messi right? lol
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allyh84
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Quote from: Sir Panda on October 13, 2010, 06:54 pm
I don't see your logic. Just because Fabregas hasn't won a PL medal, he isn't better than say, someone who has, like Wes Brown, or John O'Shea?

Fabregas is the best midfielder in the EPL by a country mile, and before his recent injury, was head and shoulders above anyone else in the league.

As I said, I rate Drogba highly, and comparing a striker and a midfielder doesn't really work.

Fabregas is also still to come into his prime, isn't he only 23/24?

No  but O'Shea and Brown are nowhere near even their club's best players. Lampard/Malouda are both miles better. But obviously Fabregas is up there.
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allyh84
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Quote from: invisibleman18 on October 13, 2010, 09:20 pm
I'd rather have Fabregas over any other midfielder in the league just as I'd rather have Drogba over any other striker. Comparing the 2 together is a bit more difficult.

Anyway as Andrew says above, the logic is very flawed. The best player does not always play for the best team, while there can be poor or mediocre players in the best teams - see the likes of Silvestre or Wes Brown or Phil Neville etc with hundreds of PL and CL medals.

Using the same logic, while he hasn't won the Premiership, Fabregas has won the European Championship and the World Cup, both in which he made fairly crucial contributions - a winning penalty in a shootout in the former and setting up the winning goal in the final of the latter immediately spring to mind.

Lionel Messi on the other hand, who is pretty universally regarded as the best player in the world has never come close to winning the World Cup, and has been fairly mediocre at the 2 he's been to. He has also not won the Copa America. So Fabregas therefore is more likely the best player in the World than Messi right? lol

Sitting on a bench and picking up a medal doesn't count.

Messi was quality at the last world cup as well, he just didn't score.

And anyway, 100% of managers would pick Messi over Fabregas if you offered either. It's true.

Seen both live, just thought you'd like to know.
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invisibleman18
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Quote from: allyh84 on October 14, 2010, 12:31 am
Sitting on a bench and picking up a medal doesn't count.

Sorry, but doesn't count for what? Doesn't count as winning? Who are you talking about anyway? Certainly not Fabregas. Pepe Reina perhaps. You seem to have confused playing as a substitute with being a backup not taking the field once in an entire campaign. They are vastly different.
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allyh84
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Oh yeah, Fabregas starts every match for Spain doesn't he? It's a pretty poor example. Every time Arsenal play Barcelona, Fabregas can't get a touch and Messi single handedly plays them off the pitch.

And yes I know he got the assist in the final, but **** off I don't care lol
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Sir Panda
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Why is this suddenly between Messi and Fabregas?

I said Fabregas was the best footballer in the EPL. Last time I looked, Messi still played for Barcelona.
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allyh84
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Because bitter Arsenal fan here said Messi has never won the World Cup. lol
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invisibleman18
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lol

I was only using your logic that if Fabregas is not the best player in the league "because he hasn't won it" then Messi can't be the best in the world because he hasn't won the World Cup. Merely an example of how ridiculous your point was, because noone comes close to Messi. Not bitter about anything.

Quote from: allyh84 on October 14, 2010, 12:54 pm
Oh yeah, Fabregas starts every match for Spain doesn't he? It's a pretty poor example. Every time Arsenal play Barcelona, Fabregas can't get a touch and Messi single handedly plays them off the pitch.

I don't believe anyone said he does start every match, but you seem to be suggesting that being a sub doesn't count for anything.

Not that it matters, but just to correct your facts which are wrong. Arsenal have played a Barcelona side containing Messi twice, in the CL last season. In the first leg Fabregas led a comeback from 2-0 down to draw 2-2, scoring the equaliser in the dying minutes before breaking his leg in injury time. In the 2nd leg when Messi single handely played us off the pitch, Fabregas did not get a touch because he did not play, having broken his leg in the 1st match.

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Allan
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Feel disappointed with the result considering the way it played out and the chances we had, even though I'd have taken a draw beforehand. Must take the performance into Sunday now.  cmon yeah
 
And what a performance from Tottenham against Inter barring that disastrous first 15 minutes. lol
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Sir Panda
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Summed it up well Allan.

We were excellent in the first 45, best I've seen us play in Europe since Lyon away.

Their goal frightened us and we started to sit deeper and deeper.

Valencia were tremendous in the second half, Soldado changed the game.
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Elly
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So, Wayne Rooney has gone full circle.  What a brainless, useless twat!  I pity his wife, tbh...
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robbie
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Quote from: Elly on October 22, 2010, 08:42 pm
So, Wayne Rooney has gone full circle.  What a brainless, useless twat!  I pity his wife, tbh...
He,s certainly went on a roundabout way for his latest deal.
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Elly
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Quote from: robbie on October 22, 2010, 08:49 pm
He,s certainly went on a roundabout way for his latest deal.
What was it all about?  I fail to see.  More wages?  More money for him to spend on prostitutes while his gorgeous wife suffers that humiliation?  Totally nuts...  Frown
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