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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 24, 2017, 08:30 pm »
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Quote from: Aileen on July 24, 2017, 08:25 pm
Probably quite a lot given that he has the talent, but if tennis bores him, then you'd think he'd go off and do something else instead of trying to carry on feeling 'trapped', a situation I couldn't understand until I read this article in today's Sydney Morning Herald -
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/bernard-tomics-tv-interview-shows-how-tortured-hes-become-20170724-gxhncq.html
Thanks for posting that article Aileen. I was thinking the same - he should go and do something else. It did explain a lot.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 24, 2017, 09:11 pm »
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Thanks for posting that article Aileen. I was thinking the same - he should go and do something else. It did explain a lot.
It's all rather sad really. A perfect example of a poor little rich boy. I just hope that, like Agassi, something will happen which could help turn things around for him, the difference being that Agassi did win six Slams before he married Steffi, and nor did he ever come across as being in any way disenchanted with the sport, at least not in the way that Tomic has.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 24, 2017, 09:12 pm »
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Agassi hid his feelings well. I remember reading his book and being surprised when he said he had hated tennis. He looks so contented with life now.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 25, 2017, 08:20 am »
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Agassi hid his feelings well. I remember reading his book and being surprised when he said he had hated tennis. He looks so contented with life now.
His biography is the best tennis one I have read.
It raises uncomfortable issues, not least the extent to which quite a few top players (by no means all) have had borderline abusive pressure placed on them by relatives.
But all the better for such an honest account.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 25, 2017, 11:14 am »
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His biography is the best tennis one I have read.
It raises uncomfortable issues, not least the extent to which quite a few top players (by no means all) have had borderline abusive pressure placed on them by relatives.
But all the better for such an honest account.
I agree. I don't read a lot of biographies, but a friend recommended this one.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 25, 2017, 06:21 pm »
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It's not one I've read (I didn't follow tennis back then- the shame) so thanks for the recommend
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 25, 2017, 06:55 pm »
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It's not one I've read (I didn't follow tennis back then- the shame) so thanks for the recommend
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It's called 'Open: An Autobiography' and there seems to be heaps of second hand copies available on online.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 25, 2017, 07:50 pm »
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It's not one I've read (I didn't follow tennis back then- the shame) so thanks for the recommend
John McEnroe's autobiography "Serious" is worth a read too, particularly as it shows a side of him that most of us never knew about. Also explains why he was constantly arguing with umpires.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 25, 2017, 08:07 pm »
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John McEnroe's autobiography "Serious" is worth a read too, particularly as it shows a side of him that most of us never knew about. Also explains why he was constantly arguing with umpires.
Thanks Aileen. I see that is widely available too.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 26, 2017, 01:28 pm »
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Novak pulls the plug on his 2017 season, will be back on tour in 2018. In hindsight he may wish he'd decided to stop for 5/6 months after Rio last year.
Incidentally Fed annouced the same thing on the same day last year...
Novak's statement here:
http://novakdjokovic.com/en/news/media/novak-ends-2017-season-due-to-elbow-injury/?continue=true
The USO will be the first major he has missed since he played his first slam at the AO in 2005.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 26, 2017, 03:14 pm »
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John McEnroe's autobiography "Serious" is worth a read too, particularly as it shows a side of him that most of us never knew about. Also explains why he was constantly arguing with umpires.
Yes. He now has an updated version out - 'But Seriously' - not sure how much different it is or isn't.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 26, 2017, 03:22 pm »
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Yes. He now has an updated version out - 'But Seriously' - not sure how much different it is or isn't.
Cmon you cannot be serious.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 26, 2017, 07:15 pm »
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Novak pulls the plug on his 2017 season, will be back on tour in 2018. In hindsight he may wish he'd decided to stop for 5/6 months after Rio last year.
Incidentally Fed annouced the same thing on the same day last year...
Novak's statement here:
http://novakdjokovic.com/en/news/media/novak-ends-2017-season-due-to-elbow-injury/?continue=true
The USO will be the first major he has missed since he played his first slam at the AO in 2005.
Interesting that Agassi will still be his head coach and will help him to 'bounce back'.
Sadly insight is a wonderful thing, particularly as Andy has said, in the light of all that's happened to him, he would have 'done things differently' at the end of last season.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 26, 2017, 07:56 pm »
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Yes. He now has an updated version out - 'But Seriously' - not sure how much different it is or isn't.
According to this unimpressed reviewer it "rehashes many of the stories from the first autobiography and adds in tales from the seniors circuit". He also talks about some of the things he's done since he retired and gives a string of anecdotes about all the different celebs he's met. Basically, again to quote the reviewer in his conclusion - "The brash, insecure kid from Queens once again disproves that old saw about there being no second acts in American life. There are, but as this second autobiography shows, it’s usually just the first act reworked in a new setting."
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/jul/04/but-seriously-an-autobiography-john-mcenroe-review-rolling-stones-trump
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: July 27, 2017, 06:27 am »
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Interesting that Agassi will still be his head coach and will help him to 'bounce back'.
Sadly insight is a wonderful thing, particularly as Andy has said, in the light of all that's happened to him, he would have 'done things differently' at the end of last season.
I'm sad for them both. Certain if Agassi had been in either camp, rest would have preempted chronic injury. Sigh.
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