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marathonarthur
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 04, 2020, 04:26 pm »
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^ Primary punishment should always be a ban or points towards a ban. In cricket that is expanded by a match fee payment deduction as a percentage so 15% or 50% (as in Test cricket) in Novak's case would be felt if that were his prize money!
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 04, 2020, 04:40 pm »
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That would be better.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 05, 2020, 03:11 am »
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Quote from: waverlybear on February 02, 2020, 05:18 pm
I didn’t see the match, I just saw the scores so I cannot really comment, but Djokovic’s time outs questioned again.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/tennis/australian-open-2020-novak-djokovic-medical-timeouts-mens-final-dominic-thiem/97d9edb6-26e4-49e1-8a31-cf3e9c678ccd
Very interesting article. I didn't see the match so can't comment, but there's no doubt that Djoko's history of MTOs and eccentric behaviour on court when he's losing goes back a long way. Of course the whole point of having doctors come on court as well as trainers was to stop cheating from happening, but if you're a good enough actor, which Djoko is, then I suppose it's possible to fool them.
Quote from: waverlybear on February 04, 2020, 12:02 pm
I see Djokovic may be fined for his behaviour.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7960303/Novak-Djokovic-issues-grovelling-apology-slammed-touching-umpires-foot.html?ito=email_share_article-top
I cannot help feel that a monetary fine for a multimillionaire isn’t much of a penalty. Maybe top players should be fined in ranking points. Any suggestions?
I think that a points' penalty on the spot would be a good idea, followed by a game penalty if the misbehaviour continues, and lastly forfeiting the match. I would think though that the first would be sufficient to focus the mind of most players given how much difference a point or two can make when it comes to winning or losing,
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 05, 2020, 06:43 pm »
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Dominic Thiem is inspired by Andy Murray
https://tennishead.net/andy-murray-is-my-inspiration-dominic-thiem-taking-hails-scot-as-role-model-in-grand-slam-hunt/
I forgot to add. Who would have thought he would be trying to beat two of the same opponents as Andy in a bid to win a final seven years later?
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 06, 2020, 04:23 am »
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Quote from: waverlybear on February 05, 2020, 06:43 pm
Dominic Thiem is inspired by Andy Murray
https://tennishead.net/andy-murray-is-my-inspiration-dominic-thiem-taking-hails-scot-as-role-model-in-grand-slam-hunt/
I forgot to add. Who would have thought he would be trying to beat two of the same opponents as Andy in a bid to win a final seven years later?
Certainly not me! I'm very glad that Dom isn't too downhearted after his AO loss, and that he takes Andy as his inspiration, but what can you do against a player who'll do anything, including resorting to questionable activities, in order to win matches? I won't forget Djoko deciding that he needed to take time out to have his legs massaged (something which I understand is no longer allowed if the problem is due to cramp) just as Andy was about to serve for the USO trophy in 2012. Andy though just continued hitting the ball against the board at the back of the court until Djoko returned ... and the rest is history!
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 06, 2020, 09:36 am »
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Very wise decision by Dominic
https://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2020/02/im-really-tired-thiem-withdraws-next-weeks-buenos-aires/87343/
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 06, 2020, 03:00 pm »
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Quote from: Aileen on February 06, 2020, 04:23 am
I won't forget Djoko deciding that he needed to take time out to have his legs massaged (something which I understand is no longer allowed if the problem is due to cramp) just as Andy was about to serve for the USO trophy in 2012. Andy though just continued hitting the ball against the board at the back of the court until Djoko returned ... and the rest is history!
I remember that too. I also seem to remember Andy saying “every time” ( or something like that) at a later Australian Open. Djokovic had just completed his dying swan act, and followed it by an amazing recovery.
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Very wise decision by Dominic
https://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2020/02/im-really-tired-thiem-withdraws-next-weeks-buenos-aires/87343/
Yes, very wise.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 07, 2020, 01:21 am »
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I remember that too. I also seem to remember Andy saying “every time” ( or something like that) at a later Australian Open. Djokovic had just completed his dying swan act, and followed it by an amazing recovery.
I think that was the AO 2013 where Andy soldiered on despite a badly blistered foot, something they showed on the big screen when he had a MTO to have it attended to, which was pretty stupid of them really because Djoko kept looking at it, no doubt rubbing his hands with delight! At least at Wimbledon he knew he wouldn't get away with any of his antics, and in fact he usually does behave himself there probably for that reason.
Btw have just come across this article which I found quite amusing given what we've just been talking about! -
https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Australian_Tennis/83772/srdjan-djokovic-not-fan-of-australian-open-crowd-supporting-some-austrian-in-final/
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 07, 2020, 05:37 pm »
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Quote from: Aileen on February 07, 2020, 01:21 am
Btw have just come across this article which I found quite amusing given what we've just been talking about! -
https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Australian_Tennis/83772/srdjan-djokovic-not-fan-of-australian-open-crowd-supporting-some-austrian-in-final/
Yes. That made me smile. I don’t think crowds are against Djokovic because of his background. His success from that perspective can only be admired, but some people just don’t like his antics and a lot just want to support the underdog in a match. “Some Austrian” indeed. Some Austrian who has been knocking on the door for a couple of years and earned his place in the final. However, Srdjan is first and foremost Djokovic’s father, so I suppose we can let him off the hook!
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 08, 2020, 10:26 am »
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Time to draw a line under Novak and his methods to distract/unsettle his opponents?
I do find nearly everything that he does without the racket as annoying. That apparently like many here also. His background we all know well but please others had there own battles too! Unfortunately the time-outs for bathroom and medical things have become the norm and are always more prevalent in slams just because they are longer. Then there is the ball bouncing at serve. Demeaning Theim and opponents in general by support teams is just another part of the worst of tennis.
BTW Have we a current Fed Cup stream? I was hooked on watching Harriet Dart yesterday show such quality and focus. A pity Heather Watson fell back into her usual mode of losing when it looked easier to win.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 08, 2020, 10:37 am »
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Fed Cup is available via the BBC iplayer and the BBC Sport website.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 08, 2020, 11:19 am »
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Yes. That made me smile. I don’t think crowds are against Djokovic because of his background. His success from that perspective can only be admired, but some people just don’t like his antics and a lot just want to support the underdog in a match. “Some Austrian” indeed. Some Austrian who has been knocking on the door for a couple of years and earned his place in the final. However, Srdjan is first and foremost Djokovic’s father, so I suppose we can let him off the hook!
I decided that as well. Also it was a bit like Jelena, then his wife-to-be, complaining after Andy won Wimbledon in 2013 that Novak had been 'distracted' by the noisy partisan crowd!
Quote from: marathonarthur on February 08, 2020, 10:26 am
Time to draw a line under Novak and his methods to distract/unsettle his opponents?
I do find nearly everything that he does without the racket as annoying. That apparently like many here also. His background we all know well but please others had there own battles too! Unfortunately the time-outs for bathroom and medical things have become the norm and are always more prevalent in slams just because they are longer. Then there is the ball bouncing at serve. Demeaning Theim and opponents in general by support teams is just another part of the worst of tennis.
You can add to that Djoko's ridiculous 'love-throwing' at the crowd which has me reaching for the off button, only he didn't do it after he won the AO because he was so angry at them for getting behind Thiem.
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 10, 2020, 09:14 pm »
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https://www.flashscore.co.uk/match/v3P1ugTt/#match-summary
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 12, 2020, 02:10 am »
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Quote from: Aileen on February 08, 2020, 11:19 am
I decided that as well. Also it was a bit like Jelena, then his wife-to-be, complaining after Andy won Wimbledon in 2013 that Novak had been 'distracted' by the noisy partisan crowd!
You can add to that Djoko's ridiculous 'love-throwing' at the crowd which has me reaching for the off button, only he didn't do it after he won the AO because he was so angry at them for getting behind Thiem.
He was angry at them for getting behind Thiem at the AO? That's stupid because the crowd always support "the underdog". Thiem wasn't an underdog anyway, but when a player has won the title so many times. it's usual for people to want to see a new champion.
Djokovic's an exceptionally good player, but you get sick and tired of him sometimes! lol
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Re: ATP/WTA Tour - The Other Players
« on: February 14, 2020, 03:21 pm »
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