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Katie
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Very pleased for Zverev. Smile His 2017 season has been so good - 5 titles (2 Masters) and currently #3 in the race. I don't think it'll be long before he wins a slam.
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blueberryhill
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I really like Sascha. Such a huge prospect.
Apparently Fed's back is playing up and he may withdraw from  Cincy.
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amongsttheleaves
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Quote from: Tamaragl on August 14, 2017, 12:41 am
I'm glad Zverev won because I really do think it's time someone else had a turn—but I feel rather the same way as you, atl, there's a whiff of entitlement about him that I'm not keen on.

For me it is mostly that his game just doesn't do it for me, that's fine, plenty of other players to choose from, but I've been trying to watch him because there's so much hype around him. Have rolled my eyes each time he's come out with those 'my dad is the best family coach ever' stuff - that is John Inverdale levels of coming out with dumb comments.

When I saw several reports about his behaviour towards the tournament director at Washington I was pretty unimpressed and thought 'nah, not my type of player at all not going to bother watching him'. Watched the middle games of the first set yesterday to see what was up with Fed, thought he looked stiff, turned off to watch athletics instead.  
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Ruthie
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Quote from: amongsttheleaves on August 13, 2017, 11:27 pm
Still feeling 'meh' about Zverev the Younger. Screaming at the tournament dicrector in Washington because he wasn't scheduled on centre, and the repeated, and ignorant, comments about his father being the best family tennis coach ever*, have done nothing to improve him for me.

I'm definitely Team Shapo when it comes to the new players.

*I can think of a certain Richard Williams and Orcene Price who easily take that 'accolade' by a country mile or more. Gloria Connors wasn't too shabby at coaching her son either.

I can't warm to him either atl.  Too bloody perfect somehow for me (though not so perfect if he was throwing a hissy fit because not scheduled on centre, which I can't imagine Andy doing in a million years).  I too prefer Denis, I also rather like what I've seen of Chung.  Not nearly as successful as Sascha of course but unflashy and a good player.
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amongsttheleaves
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Federer has withdrawn from Cincy with a back injury. Rafa will take over as number 1 next week.
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deb
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Quote from: amongsttheleaves on August 14, 2017, 05:53 pm
Federer has withdrawn from Cincy with a back injury. Rafa will take over as number 1 next week.
I'm surprised no mention of back until after he lost final  Whistle
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Ruthie
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I'm glad it will be Rafa and not Fed who unseats Andy.  Kei is also out of Cinci.  Virtually no top 10 players left!
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iamabritt
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I bet they just didn't want that awful trophy.
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circe
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The USO is going to be empty on the top men's side.
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Aileen
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Quote from: blueberryhill on August 14, 2017, 09:45 am
I really like Sascha. Such a huge prospect.
Same here, but if others don't feel happy about him then I respect that, although I admit that the only times I've heard him say anything was during the trophy ceremonies in Washington and Montreal where he struck me as being a likeable and modest young man, particularly the slightly longer speech he gave in Washington.  I don't even think he looks in any way arrogant on court either although I'm glad he seems to have cut out the racquet smashing when he gets frustrated because there are enough of these around as it is!  In fact I agree with the comm who said that he has an air of self-assurance about him at times, but self-assurance doesn't necessarily equate with arrogance.

Quote from: deb on August 14, 2017, 06:07 pm
I'm surprised no mention of back until after he lost final  Whistle
But he claims he picked the injury up during the second set .....

Quote from: iamabritt on August 14, 2017, 07:19 pm
I bet they just didn't want that awful trophy.
lol
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moonglow
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I'd rather have Rafa as number 1 than Federer, I'm  sure Andy will be be back there soon.
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blueberryhill
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Quote from: Aileen on August 14, 2017, 08:48 pm
Same here, but if others don't feel happy about him then I respect that.......... where he struck me as being a likeable and modest young man
I completely agree. Fine, people don't like the way he plays,  but he's very young and IMHO it's harsh to criticise his behaviour.
Fed was a jerk when he was young. Not going down the Nole path......lol  I've seen Rafa throw an enormous hissy fit over what he considered to be poor umpiring at the WTF and didn't he actually try to get one banned from his matches? Our own Andrew swore at an umpire and wouldn't shake his hand at a Davis Cup match. Oh BTW he was 18 at the time.
Nobody's perfect and these poor sods get to have their teenage, and not so teenage, tantrums in front of millions.
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Ruthie
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^ I guess I'm critical of that particular behaviour not because it was bad behaviour as such but because it seemed to be saying he had a divine right to be on centre court - which does smack of arrogance to me.  But I have to admit it's hearsay and I don't know exactly what he said. 
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Elly
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Good to see Delpo won his match, even though I didn't pick him to win.  Let's face it, I couldn't pick my own nose in RTR, recently… Frown
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Aileen
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Quote from: blueberryhill on August 15, 2017, 12:03 pm
I completely agree. Fine, people don't like the way he plays,  but he's very young and IMHO it's harsh to criticise his behaviour.
Fed was a jerk when he was young. Not going down the Nole path......lol  I've seen Rafa throw an enormous hissy fit over what he considered to be poor umpiring at the WTF and didn't he actually try to get one banned from his matches? Our own Andrew swore at an umpire and wouldn't shake his hand at a Davis Cup match. Oh BTW he was 18 at the time.
Nobody's perfect and these poor sods get to have their teenage, and not so teenage, tantrums in front of millions.
I agree entirely BBH, and Fed even admits his behaviour was far from perfect when he first started out on the Tour.  I remember the Andy incident too. 

As for Rafa I don't remember anything about the WTF but at the Rio Open in 2015 he demanded that Carlos Bernardez, who he claimed was always picking on him for time-wasting, be banned for umpiring his future matches, a request which the ATP agreed to, and at this year's FO it was the turn of Carlos Ramos to get the benefit of the Nadal wrath for the same reason, only Ramos took things a step further and docked Rafa a serve after he repeatedly ignored his time-wasting warnings.  Whether or not the ATP have acceded to this request isn't known.
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