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Interesting article in the telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/09/19/andy-murray-needs-to-be-selfish-and-stop-playing-davis-cup/

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A very interesting article. I think the time has come for Andy to play just what he has too to be able to play in the Olympics.

The time has come for him to play and do well in the Slams and Masters. After all he is getting older now and has to look after his body.
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Interesting article in the telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/09/19/andy-murray-needs-to-be-selfish-and-stop-playing-davis-cup/

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I struggle to understand the argument that Davis Cup is somehow seperate from Andy's career. I know some players do the minimum to qualify for the Olympics - but Andy and Rafa actually never have to play DC again to qualify for the Olympics because they've played at least 20 DC ties now and that gives them a special Olympic qualification if they can't play DC again.

But Andy isn't that selfish, and he wanted to go for another Davis Cup win. Why shouldn't he. There isn't a career title tick list. Whatever he wants to go for is what he wants to go for.

The attempt in this article to link the French Open loss with playing Davis Cup is tenouous at best. Andy had been off for a month before th Japan tie, he didn't play well in IW and Miami, in part due to the month off.

The loss at the FO had a lot to do with 10 sets in three days at the beginning of the tournament and a really messy, longer than needed QF against Gasquet. Suggesting Davis Cup was a factor there is taking things much too far, borderline stupid.

It does feel like that. Whether the tournament has been a little unlucky recently or if poor matches are near inevitable now due to tiredness, I could not say.

The WTF does still feel significant within the tennis calendar. I feel Andy's run to qualify in 2014 was important for him in recapturing his competitiveness and belief after injury, albeit we had to endure the bakery trip with Fed.

I agree. Hugely important in 2014. Particularly when you think that wasn't something Andy actually intended to do until Amelie gave him a kick up the arse and packed him off to win a title - any crappy little title at whatever random place would do, and we all saw how emotional he was when he did it - and get his ranking back up in the top 8. There was some significant resetting of goals and career motivation at that point.

There are a lot of factors as to why I'm not that keen on the WTF. Much has to do with the venue, the court conditions in the last few years. In the past there were some great matches, but recently there has maybe only been a few over the last few years. The doubles has - for me - been much more enjoyable.
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 He's no deid yet, for goodness sake!
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Thank you. This seems to have all turned a bit sepulchral. He's alive and kicking and Number 2.
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It does feel like that. Whether the tournament has been a little unlucky recently or if poor matches are near inevitable now due to tiredness, I could not say.

The WTF does still feel significant within the tennis calendar. I feel Andy's run to qualify in 2014 was important for him in recapturing his competitiveness and belief after injury, albeit we had to endure the bakery trip with Fed.

I actually get more satisfaction out of Andy qualifying than from the event itself.
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Perhaps they should change the format and have a doubles match with Jaime featuring. I cannot see how Andy could play.
I'd forgotten when I posted that that there's already a thread for this.  As Tim Henman and Jamie are also playing in this event then I'd assume a doubles is on the agenda.

I agree with what @ATL says about this.  Nobody's pointing a gun at Andy's head forcing him to play but as he clearly enjoys doing so then why should he stop?   It's just very unfortunate that this year the Olympics were in the mix.

I actually get more satisfaction out of Andy qualifying than from the event itself.
Sorry if you've been asked this already, but what is it about the WTF that you dislike?
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I can't believe Andy said that about his nuts
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I don't like the WTF either. I've been loads of times but not this year. So far I've seen Andy win twice, lose twice and withdraw twice, I think, but at least once.
The matches are frequently most disappointing, remember when Fed withdrew from the final and Andy stepped in? Jeez!  Two weeks later, if memory serves me well, Fed was skipping around at the Davis Cup!
I just think by that time of the year, at the end of the season, the players are all exhausted.
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remember when Fed withdrew from the final and Andy stepped in? Jeez!  Two weeks later, if memory serves me well, Fed was skipping around at the Davis Cup!

Yes, that was absolutely outrageous. He probably had a niggle of some sort and didn't want to get thrashed by Novak. Absolutely fine two weeks later. Shameless.

I've also been twice, but won't go again. Mainly because it just isn't value for money. One singles and one doubles match per session. I love the venue though and I do think that if Andy didn't do so badly there every year some might be a little more interested...
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Sorry if you've been asked this already, but what is it about the WTF that you dislike?

I just get nothing out of it, Aileen.  I've only seen it since 2014 so not a lot to go on but Andy seems to do badly there so I can't summon up any enthusiasm for it.  Perhaps if he does well this year I'll feel differently but at the moment it just seems so commercialised and the players are too tired to do it any justice.
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Agree Baseliner. It's even more expensive than Wimbledon/Queens where at least you get a whole day's play for your bucks.
Me too re venue.  It's a very exciting space and they used to play "London Calling" which was a big plus for me.
 
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I can't believe Andy said that about his nuts
Well he did.  Or are you suggesting it was somehow made up?   It's certainly caught the attention of the media. lol   Basically if you ask a silly question then you can expect a straightforward answer, especially from Andy, because it was obvious to most people why he had to go off the court.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/were-all-grateful-andy-murray-left-the-court-for-medical-attention-after-hearing-what-was-wrong-with-him-755267.html?
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I just get nothing out of it, Aileen.  I've only seen it since 2014 so not a lot to go on but Andy seems to do badly there so I can't summon up any enthusiasm for it.  Perhaps if he does well this year I'll feel differently but at the moment it just seems so commercialised and the players are too tired to do it any justice.
I have no objection to it, and the WTA have the same thing (Singapore is currently the host city), because I believe it gives players an incentive to do well to get there and also a chance to pick up more ranking points.  The matches are only BO3, so, in theory anyway, not exactly strenuous.

It's been part of the tennis scene since 1970 anyway, when it was run by the ITF and called the Masters Grand Prix, and was considered to be a prestigious showpiece event as no ranking points were available.  In 1990 the name was changed when the ATP took over and that was when points started being awarded, but as the players still see it as being prestigious then why do away with it now?
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I'm not saying anything about doing away with it.  I just don't personally enjoy it!
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I'd just like to see Andy have a real good go at winning  it once.
 He never really has, save losing an excellent semi to Rafa six years ago
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