Search
Calendar
Who's Online
Donate
Login
Register
Reset Password
Home
Login
Register
MurraysWorld
>
Tennis Talk
>
Western & Southern Open
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Pages:
1
...
24
25
26
[
27
]
28
29
30
...
33
Reply
Author
Western & Southern Open
(Read 75911 times)
marathonarthur
Top Seed
Posts: 5,207
Gender:
Location: Wliltshire
marathonarthur
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 08:09 am »
Quote
Oh dear, the news from the W&S today of play suspended by Osaka playing a political card is so very sad. Surely her own background should tell her that races can unite successfully?
I am old enough to believe that sport should build bridges etc etc rather be the place for highlighting differences and letting the nasty side of life dictate.
Good news of the four GB players to reach semis, all now on Friday, though.
IP Logged
moonglow
John McEnroe
Posts: 19,872
Location: Yorkshire
"Nothing is so contagious as enthusiasm" Coleridge
Show donations
moonglow
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 08:16 am »
Quote
^ You mean this?
https://www.skysports.com/tennis/news/12110/12057471/naomi-osaka-withdraws-from-western-southern-open-play-suspended-in-protest
It's a shame, it isn't good
IP Logged
amongsttheleaves
World No 1
Posts: 10,764
Warning: posts may be objectionable
amongsttheleaves
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 08:39 am »
Quote
Quote from: marathonarthur on August 27, 2020, 08:09 am
sport should build bridges etc etc rather be the place for highlighting differences and letting the nasty side of life dictate.
The statement from the ATP, WTA, and USTA suggests that they want this pause in play for one day to be an act of bridge building, a moment of solidarity, with the sport trying to do better than it has done in the past. Osaka didn’t make them do it, she’s withdrawn from the tournament.
This isn’t really about ‘politics’, it is about people and human rights, however, sport is political, particularly in the US. Do your really view Racism as a political issue?
[ Last edit by amongsttheleaves August 27, 2020, 08:48 am ]
IP Logged
marathonarthur
Top Seed
Posts: 5,207
Gender:
Location: Wliltshire
marathonarthur
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 09:08 am »
Quote
^ Moonglow, Not sure how to balance so many conflicting thoughts of politics in sport and life at present but doubt if this is the right way to make changes in society.
ATL, I sort of agree with you but in the States, with the election, racial problems are political and this I think is the wrong route. Inequalities are everywhere and things happen that are a blot on man's record but to expand the debate into areas like sport for publicity I still think is wrong. The dialogue on people and human rights, I think, should be elsewhere.
IP Logged
moonglow
John McEnroe
Posts: 19,872
Location: Yorkshire
"Nothing is so contagious as enthusiasm" Coleridge
Show donations
moonglow
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 12:00 pm »
Quote
Quote from: amongsttheleaves on August 27, 2020, 08:39 am
The statement from the ATP, WTA, and USTA suggests that they want this pause in play for one day to be an act of bridge building, a moment of solidarity, with the sport trying to do better than it has done in the past. Osaka didn’t make them do it, she’s withdrawn from the tournament.
This isn’t really about ‘politics’, it is about people and human rights, however, sport is political, particularly in the US. Do your really view Racism as a political issue?
If they pause play for this one day, will they pause it for more days after today?
I realise Osaka withdrew but she did that because of what happened in the US.
What about the male players - I think they support the one day pause, they might suggest more pauses?
Also let's say the tournament was taking place in Australia - would there have been a pause in play if there had been a stabbing in the US at the time?
After all the Covid delays & lockdowns, it would have been nice to have seen more tennis.
IP Logged
Tamaragl
Seed
Posts: 4,680
Gender:
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Tamaragl
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 12:22 pm »
Quote
I understand your feelings, Arthur, but in many ways the whole point of the current protests in America's sports world about systemic racism and murders of unarmed black people is, obviously, that this is one of the major areas where black people are extremely prominent and highly respected and looked up to by huge numbers of Americans regardless of their race. They have INFLUENCE and they are using it to draw attention to the continuing cruelties and inequities. I'm quite sure that such athletes feel they have a moral obligation. Not to mention personal interest, since we're all well aware that in America black men in particular, however famous they are, are vulnerable to completely unprovoked violence on the part of police and others, as happened to tennis's James Blake:
Expanding the debate into areas like sport for publicity is happening because not enough is being done in other parts of the public arena, and because if it is not made very obvious to them in ways such as these, too many people can pretend the problems aren't real. And of course it has been done many times before, most notably perhaps vis-à-vis South Africa over apartheid:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_boycott_of_South_Africa_during_the_apartheid_era#:~:text=Olympic%20Games,-Main%20article%3A%20Apartheid&text=In%201968%2C%20the%20IOC%20was,nations%20and%20others%20forestalled%20this.&text=The%20IOC%20adopted%20a%20declaration,total%20isolation%20of%20apartheid%20sport
.
Please forgive me for being so vehement. It's difficult to get across how desperately worrying it is to be living under the current government and presidency of the United States and how deep-seated the social and political problems here really are.
IP Logged
althusser
Top Seed
Posts: 6,235
I Conquer
althusser
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 01:07 pm »
Quote
Quote from: Tamaragl on August 27, 2020, 12:22 pm
I understand your feelings, Arthur, but in many ways the whole point of the current protests in America's sports world about systemic racism and murders of unarmed black people is, obviously, that this is one of the major areas where black people are extremely prominent and highly respected and looked up to by huge numbers of Americans regardless of their race. They have INFLUENCE and they are using it to draw attention to the continuing cruelties and inequities. I'm quite sure that such athletes feel they have a moral obligation. Not to mention personal interest, since we're all well aware that in America black men in particular, however famous they are, are vulnerable to completely unprovoked violence on the part of police and others, as happened to tennis's James Blake:
Expanding the debate into areas like sport for publicity is happening because not enough is being done in other parts of the public arena, and because if it is not made very obvious to them in ways such as these, too many people can pretend the problems aren't real. And of course it has been done many times before, most notably perhaps vis-à-vis South Africa over apartheid:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_boycott_of_South_Africa_during_the_apartheid_era#:~:text=Olympic%20Games,-Main%20article%3A%20Apartheid&text=In%201968%2C%20the%20IOC%20was,nations%20and%20others%20forestalled%20this.&text=The%20IOC%20adopted%20a%20declaration,total%20isolation%20of%20apartheid%20sport
.
Please forgive me for being so vehement. It's difficult to get across how desperately worrying it is to be living under the current government and presidency of the United States and how deep-seated the social and political problems here really are.
IP Logged
marathonarthur
Top Seed
Posts: 5,207
Gender:
Location: Wliltshire
marathonarthur
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 01:34 pm »
Quote
Quote from: Tamaragl on August 27, 2020, 12:22 pm
I understand your feelings, Arthur, but .....
Please forgive me for being so vehement. It's difficult to get across how desperately worrying it is to be living under the current government and presidency of the United States and how deep-seated the social and political problems here really are.
I do not think that you are that vehement and certainly do not need forgiveness! That last bit I do now understand better when put in the context of the US in particular. As I first said and implied, in different words, it is SAD that sport is needed to be used in this way. The social issues in the US appear so much more serious than what most here experience that it is difficult sometimes to understand how divided is the nation. I could not believe the apparent two (possibly three) nation status when I visited both rural and urban areas. I am waiting for some good proposals to emerge from anyone who honestly wants to tackle the issues for the benefit of the many overlooked by the US aspirational society. The later is a primary problem. I see and hear lots of hot air from 'leaders' but much hypocrisy is involved. I want the good proposals too. Perhaps they do exist but I do not think they are adequately covered in the news we receive nor are well promoted. I have to admit I do not search hard for this so easily missed by me?
I must add a postscript as you cite one of the worst ever campaigns of using sport to raise issues.
My running career, and those of other friends, was affected by the Apartheid blockade so I observed that time very critically. It also seriously affected the lives of many who became innocent victims of the policies, that you are apparently supporting. It is a pity that South Africa post that time has not become that good an example of racial integration to say that it was a great success. I eventually went to RSA when Mandela was president and the problems then and anticipated for later were obvious to even me. Most are now very obvious. I have followed the changes there quite closely with also a number of visits. Luckily for me they are totally hooked on sport and race has never been much of an issue in that arena except for some national team selections in the past. that was already being addressed! It was a shame that all the political drive worst affected what was their best area of 'mixed' social activity before the changes of the nineties.
IP Logged
moonglow
John McEnroe
Posts: 19,872
Location: Yorkshire
"Nothing is so contagious as enthusiasm" Coleridge
Show donations
moonglow
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 04:02 pm »
Quote
Quote from: Tamaragl on August 27, 2020, 12:22 pm
I understand your feelings, Arthur, but in many ways the whole point of the current protests in America's sports world about systemic racism and murders of unarmed black people is, obviously, that this is one of the major areas where black people are extremely prominent and highly respected and looked up to by huge numbers of Americans regardless of their race. They have INFLUENCE and they are using it to draw attention to the continuing cruelties and inequities. I'm quite sure that such athletes feel they have a moral obligation. Not to mention personal interest, since we're all well aware that in America black men in particular, however famous they are, are vulnerable to completely unprovoked violence on the part of police and others, as happened to tennis's James Blake:
Expanding the debate into areas like sport for publicity is happening because not enough is being done in other parts of the public arena, and because if it is not made very obvious to them in ways such as these, too many people can pretend the problems aren't real. And of course it has been done many times before, most notably perhaps vis-à-vis South Africa over apartheid:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_boycott_of_South_Africa_during_the_apartheid_era#:~:text=Olympic%20Games,-Main%20article%3A%20Apartheid&text=In%201968%2C%20the%20IOC%20was,nations%20and%20others%20forestalled%20this.&text=The%20IOC%20adopted%20a%20declaration,total%20isolation%20of%20apartheid%20sport
.
Please forgive me for being so vehement. It's difficult to get across how desperately worrying it is to be living under the current government and presidency of the United States and how deep-seated the social and political problems here really are.
Thanks for your interesting post Tamara
IP Logged
Aileen
Murraymaniac
Posts: 95,331
Gender:
Location: Edinburgh
Show donations
Aileen
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 04:48 pm »
Quote
Quote from: moonglow on August 27, 2020, 12:00 pm
If they pause play for this one day, will they pause it for more days after today?
I realise Osaka withdrew but she did that because of what happened in the US.
What about the male players - I think they support the one day pause, they might suggest more pauses?
Also let's say the tournament was taking place in Australia - would there have been a pause in play if there had been a stabbing in the US at the time?
Good points moonglow. Also given that this shooting happened four days ago why did Osaka wait until now to withdraw?
As for the protests in the US, meeting violence with violence is not the answer to anything.
Also while I don't condone police brutality, both Blake and Floyd were criminals who had no thought for the lives of others and who, if they hadn't resisted arrest would no doubt still be alive, yet they're being somehow glorified. Maybe I'm missing something, but I just do not understand this mentality.
[ Last edit by Aileen August 27, 2020, 05:42 pm ]
IP Logged
moonglow
John McEnroe
Posts: 19,872
Location: Yorkshire
"Nothing is so contagious as enthusiasm" Coleridge
Show donations
moonglow
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 04:54 pm »
Quote
I don't know why she waited so long to withdraw. She might have wanted to see if other players would support her?
If I lived in the US I might understand things better, as it is it's very worrying for all who live there.
Maybe Biden would be able to pull the country together I don't really know.
Donald Trump has lots of supporters though.
But this isn't the US discussion thread ......
I really hope they'll play on Friday and that this won't escalate and that the USO will take place next week as planned.
(I thought it was going to be the USO draw today) ?
IP Logged
Aileen
Murraymaniac
Posts: 95,331
Gender:
Location: Edinburgh
Show donations
Aileen
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 04:57 pm »
Quote
Quote from: moonglow on August 27, 2020, 04:54 pm
I really hope they'll play on Friday and that this won't escalate and that the USO will take place next week as planned.
(I thought it was going to be the USO draw today) ?
The draw was supposed taking place some time today so we should know in a while what it is. We'd better hope that the weather holds up otherwise there will be very little time between the two tournaments - not that the players have to go anywhere but just to give them a longer break.
IP Logged
moonglow
John McEnroe
Posts: 19,872
Location: Yorkshire
"Nothing is so contagious as enthusiasm" Coleridge
Show donations
moonglow
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 04:58 pm »
Quote
^ Ok right thanks
IP Logged
marathonarthur
Top Seed
Posts: 5,207
Gender:
Location: Wliltshire
marathonarthur
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 06:32 pm »
Quote
Quote from: moonglow on August 27, 2020, 04:54 pm
I don't know why she waited so long to withdraw. She might have wanted to see if other players would support her?
If I lived in the US I might understand things better, as it is it's very worrying for all who live there.
Maybe Biden would be able to pull the country together I don't really know.
Donald Trump has lots of supporters though.
But this isn't the US discussion thread ......
I really hope they'll play on Friday and that this won't escalate and that the USO will take place next week as planned.
(I thought it was going to be the USO draw today) ?
Pleased to see that you are steering us all back to the tennis. Osaka made her point now wants back in! The question is can you rescind a withdrawal?
You are right about the draw as we know that Andy plays the very promising Japanese number two. Are you setting up a new thread so I can see all the thoughts of this very knowledgeable set of supporters?
IP Logged
moonglow
John McEnroe
Posts: 19,872
Location: Yorkshire
"Nothing is so contagious as enthusiasm" Coleridge
Show donations
moonglow
Re: Western & Southern Open
« on: August 27, 2020, 06:36 pm »
Quote
^ ATL has just set up a thread called "Andy at the US Open"
I don't know if it's possible for Osaka to rescind her decision to withdraw - would she want to rescind her decision anyway? I don't think she'd want to do that.
There's a thread in the chit chat section where anyone can talk about the US and Trump and Biden or anything US related
IP Logged
Pages:
1
...
24
25
26
[
27
]
28
29
30
...
33
Reply
MurraysWorld
>
Tennis Talk
>
Western & Southern Open
Powered by SMF
|
SMF © 2006, Simple Machines
Loading...